I'll say it again. If the mileage was as great as this posting indicates, Ford would be advertising the heck out of it. I've seen nothing except ads touting the towing ability of the EB.

 

My wife drives an EcoBoost Flex and so far we get 16 mpg in the city and 21mpg @ 75mph. I can't see how the F150 will get better mileage than our Flex.

Having said that, I love the engine so much I am ordering a F150 with it!

 

That is impressive considering that is as good as or better than the Ecoboost SHO, Lincoln MKT and MKS.

 

Ford must realy be tweeking on those MPG numbers for the Ecoboost to not have them out already. I think it's not as good as they wanted it to be or we would have heard them bragging already.

Ford needs to have as much seperation in MPG's as possible from the 5.0 to make these Ecoboosts the engine of choice.

Too many V8 owners are already doubting the little TC V6. Most will opt for the 5.0 if the ecobosst mileage isn't what it's cracked up to be.

They will most like test these with a 3:15-1 rear end at 55 mph and come up with a rating which in real life( by looking at their current estimates)will not be close to what's on the sticker.

Nice engine, but too many questions at this time.

 

First off, I do not believe the F-150 will be rated at 26mpg/HWY in 4x4 form. Just don't see it, as mentioned an AWD Flex with the same engine is rated at 16/21. However, I do not have a hard time achieving the rated 17mpg/HWY on my 2008 F-150. I drive mostly small 2 lane roads with lots of hills and turns and while this isn't exactly HWY, it is not CITY either and I get 17.2-17.8 MPG and I have checked it about 6 times. When my wife runs the truck she gets 15.5-16, so that shows how much a little less brake and gas can make a difference. If this truck with the EB ends up rated at say 18/23 I would be very surprised and VERY impressed. I would buy one in a heartbeat. I will keep my fingers crossed and wait

 

[QUOTE=Excaliber551;4424004]Ford must realy be tweeking on those MPG numbers for the Ecoboost to not have them out already. I think it's not as good as they wanted it to be or we would have heard them bragging already.

Ford needs to have as much seperation in MPG's as possible from the 5.0 to make these Ecoboosts the engine of choice.

Too many V8 owners are already doubting the little TC V6. Most will opt for the 5.0 if the ecobosst mileage isn't what it's cracked up to be.

They will most like test these with a 3:15-1 rear end at 55 mph and come up with a rating which in real life( by looking at their current estimates)will not be close to what's on the sticker.

Nice engine, but too many questions at this time.[/QUOT

Ford has said from day one that the ecoboost was never supposed to appear until after the first of the year anyway. So yes they are doing last minute tweaks, no speculation there. I understand that they are working on the turbo design a little for added fuel economy

Ford cannot just pick any old speed they want for the mpg test. They have to follow the EPA tests here: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml

As far as rear axle goes my understanding is that they use which ever axle is "standard" for that particular model. Since the 3.15 is standard for the 4x2 ecoboost I am sure that they will use it. For the ecoboost 4x4 the standard axle is 3.31 so they will use it.

Now if they want to kick up the numbers they could use a regular cab and save about 500 lbs of weight which should save them around 1 mpg.

I do agree that they should be required to test and reveal EPA figures for the 3.73 as I think that it is a very popular axle (and will be even more popular as Ford keeps advertising the ecoboost's towing capacity). I think that a lot of folks will be disappointed if Ford advertises (let's say) 17/24 and no one gets close.

I also agree that the ecoboost needs to be several mpg better than the 5.0 or it will be a harder sell. Yes, the torque will be great for towing but you have the added $750 up front plus more expensive parts to fail down the road.

Ford has said that the ecoboost is the future of their company. Honestly, if they want to get the ball rolling they need to sell it at the same price as the 5.0. Yes, it costs more to make but the trucks are Ford's highest profit margin vehicles anyway.

 

[QUOTE=johndeerefarmer;4424096]They could certainly do so if they wanted to. Look at how they priced the MKZ Hybrid the same exact price as the non-hybrid version, to boost sales and awareness of their improvements in their luxury brand. Ford could price the EB same as 5.0 if they wanted to, but sounds like that's not happening. Hopefully it'll be decent enough on MPG to push buyers in that direction.

 

i really hope these numbers are close!

 

I thought they tested Highway mileage at Highway speeds. If I read those charts correctly, Highway mileage is formulated by driving for 765 seconds(12.75 minutes) for 10.26 miles which is an average 0f 48.3 MPH?

What kind of a Highway MPG test is that?

If that is how it's done no wonder vehicles get nowhere near their Highway ratings at 65-75 MPH( normal freeway speeds)

 

Maybe it won't be 26 highway. Maybe it will. Whatever it will be, I believe they have not released the numbers for EcoBoost because they do not want to give the competition anytime to beat it. If they released the numbers now that would give the competition, mainly GM, almost a years lead to try and beat it. That's not what Ford wants to do. The less and later GM finds out the actual numbers the better because they are working on a EcoBoost-type right now. First Ford wants to sell you on the power, torque and durability. Once that case is closed on the power and durability, then will sell you on the increased fuel economy. And EB is not even for sale yet like the other engines so it is not a deal breaker to not know what it is.

 

GM has nothing to do with Ford not releasing their numbers yet. If Ford released their numbers today instead of next month, it wouldn't make any difference. Sure GM is working on their own design but the ecoboost is not a new concept anyway, though Ford has over 100 patents on their particular design. Gas turbo engines have been out for several years.

Ford is building as much hype as they can for this new engine by dragging it out. We still have two torture test videos to go.

 

Yes, you read it right. However, when the EPA added the new tests a few years ago, everyone claims that it is easier to met the EPA figures. I guess we will have to wait a few months and find out.

 

I disagree. The number one reason Ford does not want the EcoBoost fuel economy numbers out too early and why they don't discuss future products is so the competition doesn't get a clue what they are doing. We saw what happened with the Super Duty trucks. Ford released their towing numbers at the Texas Fair. Then GM had a few months to make sure their towing numbers were better. Then Ford released the power numbers. Then GM had time to beat it. Then Ford was forced to up their numbers again. This all happened in a few months time. They don't want that to happen with the EB.

The second reason I agree with you on. They want to keep the excitement going. The first strategy is to build up the power and torque and durability. Once everyone is sold on the durability and power, Ford can sell everyone on the increased fuel economy. If they let out the numbers early then the excitement would die down and letting the numbers out early would have been counterproductive.

The third reason is maybe the numbers are not that great and they are still working on it. Maybe. Maybe not. But they have said it will be at least 20% better which is a big deal in a truck. Better to keep everyone guessing than to tip your hat early to the competition and start a fuel economy number war earlier than need be.

 

Keep in mind the engine is tuned completely different in the F150 than in the flex. The F150 version produces an extra 70ft lbs of torque, and it is making 90% of that 420 ft lbs from as low as what, 1500rpm? That really helps get that heavy truck moving.

 

15 City/21 Highway?

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