Not going to argue your 87 tune which you say is equal to the OEM Edge's 93 tune.

You seem to drive A LOT (25K miles/yr), so that may indeed make up for itself, but I see about 7K/yr, so I would definitely not recoup my cost anytime soon.

SO, was the price of gas JUST KILLING you about 7 months ago?

 

Can you tell us why it sucks?

Are you talking about a stock truck with an Edge?

Are you talking about a stock truck with aftermarket exhaust with an Edge?

Are you talking about a stock truck with CAI and exhaust with an Edge?

Any other mods?

Which motor? 5.4 or 4.6?

What elevation was the dyno done at?

What tune was being used? 1,2, or 3?

What year was the truck?

Just way to many variables to make that broad of a statement without some sort of explanation. Thanks

 

How is the Edge just a stock tune when there are 3 different levels and various CUSTOM options that you can CUSTOMize?

 

Please refer to this post :

 

rms8,

I realize you've had your Edge for a relatively short time, but how are you liking it so far?

 

The Edge is customizable, but it's not considered custom tuning. Custom tuning takes into account the modifications you've made to your truck. The easiest two examples I can give you are a cold air intake and exhaust system. Custom tuning will take full advantage of these modifications while the Edge does not.

 

The Custom tunes are custom. Each one is different for each vehicle. Even if they have the same mods and are identical, they take into account where you are located and blah blah blah. It is 100% custom. Is it the best route ? No. Better then canned tunes ? Absolutely. With these custom tunes, you can take advantage of other mods you have installed, where the canned tunes cannot do this. Make up for CAI, exhaust, custom turbo or supercharger etc etc etc. Canned tunes do nothing for this. So, yes, they are custom. I don't know what your definition of custom is, but these tunes most dfeinately are.

So, you are not correct, but you have the right idea. Yes, they are custom, no they are not squeezing out every pony they could. You can data log if you want better performance. I am lucky enough to have great guys at a local tuning station (RPM Auto Services). They have a dyno, and can log numbers for me, so i can send off to Bill to dial it all in even more. On top of that, we are working on bringing Bill out here for some live tuning sessions.

You mention "dyno tuning" as the end all be all.... but an even better step, and FAR more exact is live tuning. So, by your standards, dyno tuning is only "best guess" tuning also. See, i can nitpick too !

mmkay, couple more of my pennies thrown into the pile.

 

Also, I meant to ask what your gas mileage was like with the 87 performance tune. Did it go up, down, or stay about the same?

 

Most people don't have a modified exhaust and intake, so these options would be of no interest.

 

I think your semantics are a bit misguided.

What in the world are you trying to distinguish between a "live tune" and a dyno tune?

I have my race car Dyno tuned when ever I make a change. This entails strapping the car to a dynometer and connecting the various sensors to the car (knock sensors, wideband...) and running the car through the gears and to it's redline. The tune happens in real time so the changes can be seen, again, in real time.

Don't get much "LIVE'er" than that...LOL

A canned tune AND a custom tune are BEST GUESS tunes. Yes, a "custom" tune will get you more within the BALLPARK than a canned tune, but AGAIN, it's a BEST GUESS tune. Can't see how anyone can argue that.

If you have mods as you suggested (CAI, exhaust...), then a custom tune would be more beneficial than a canned, but will NEVER account for all real world variables.

If one spends the $$ and installs a power adder yet cuts the corners by relying on a "custom" tune, well, the foolish are soon schooled. I would NEVER EVER rely on a custom tune for any sort of a SERIOUS motor. A custom tune would work well until one can get around to getting the real tune, but I wouldn't push that go-pedal too hard too often....

If you simply bolted a SC'er on top of a factory motor, a "custom" tune would work fine most of the time, but if anything internally changed, or you want the most out of that high dollar SC kit, then there is no comparison regarding a true dynotune.

In the end, I would say that the EDGE alone is fine for a vast majority of users out there. If any of those users thought they may add additional products to their motor in the future (CAI, exhaust...), then the Gryphon would be the better alternative in the long run due to the fact that it can compensate better with the different engine dynamics once those aftermarket goodies have been installed.

I personally have no desire trying to turn my 6000lb truck into a racer. So in that respect the EDGE severs me well. It allowed me to alter my tire size and shift firmness. A side benefit is that the Level 2 setting is ideal.

That allows me to segue into last5oh_302 question:
I like it. I enjoy seeing the true temps of the coolant, tranny and oil. I enjoy the slight boost you get from the Level2 setting, and of course, the ability to correct for larger tires is why I got it in the first place. The boost is very noticeable, especially considering the move up in size tire I went too.

Obviously the display is not as comprehensive as the display in my PMS tuner on my Mustang, but the vitals it DOES allow one to display are above and beyond what most would need, or even understand.

 

my dad kinda has that, he gave my sister the gryphon case and his gryphon looks like a stock edge, except has the little dragon or w/e it is when it turns on.

x2 on not getting an edge and going for the gryphon, my truck broke down twice cuz of that dang POS. truck had less than 6k on it at the time and both almost caused me to get t-boned. i ripped that SOB out of my truck so quick and got custom tunes from VMP. had VMP for about 15k miles with not one issue yet.

 

Good to hear. Have you tried level 3 yet?

 

LOL

Yeah, I'm sure that the EDGE is a "POS".

That's probably why they continue to sell thousands of them for several makes and models of vehicles, all because YOU had a problem with YOUR truck that YOU attribute to the "POS" Edge.

 

No.

Level2 is fine, and I don't want to put 93 in it. I suites my needs great! To be honest, I never would have got it had I not got the taller tires though.

 

I bought mine for the same reasons as you. I'll definitely be giving level 3 a try though. It only requires mid grade (91 octane) if you don't bump the timing. I'll probably only use it when I make my long highway hauls up north though, besides, gas is pretty cheap now. Level 2 sounds perfect for around town with the improved low end torque.