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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 07:19 PM
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4real, I dont even like the sound a that, goofy lube joint, ill pass.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 07:33 PM
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DITTO.

This is exactly why I do it myself. Don't trust the lube jockeys.
Sounds like some get more than just a vehicle lub'in.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 07:52 PM
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Hi everyone.

I know this topic has been discussed in the past and I even did a search through the forum and read all of the posts. I couold not find a good answer for my question. I do not want to start another war on which is better. I was just wondering if I use 5W-30 oil for my oil change. I took my truck to Jiffy lube and they put 5W-30 oil instead of the 5W-20 that Ford recommends. They said that it would not hurt the vehicle. But that got me thinking and I started to worry. Will 5W-30 oil be bad in the long run for my truck? Can I stick with 5W-30 oil or do I need to use 5W-20 oil from now on? Thanks for not flaming me and for the responses.
I change my oil & filter every 3 months. I use 5W-20 Motorcraft & FL820S oil filter I have 5100 miles on my truck and its a year old 5W-20 Motorcraft oil cost me $1.99 a quart
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 07:54 PM
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There's virtually no difference between the two different ratings. There's a difference, but it's so slight that it's meaningless to you and I.

As I understand it, Ford went to 5W20 to squeek out a slight increase in the aggregate mileage of all their vehicles for reasons pertaining to CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards. I'm talking SQUEEK. You wont' see any any noticeable mileage increase.

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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MnFatz
There's virtually no difference between the two different ratings. There's a difference, but it's so slight that it's meaningless to you and I.

As I understand it, Ford went to 5W20 to squeek out a slight increase in the aggregate mileage of all their vehicles for reasons pertaining to CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards. I'm talking SQUEEK. You wont' see any any noticeable mileage increase.

-Fatz

Fatz is 100% correct.....it's all about CAFE. Using 5-30 won't hurt a thing. I used it in my 01 from the first oil change and I'm using it in my 04.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 11:57 PM
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who1975......lot of great responses from the crew here..

funny story 'bout Goofy Lube....year's ago a friend of mine decided to go there for an oil change against my recommendation to do it himself. Anyway, he took his 8 year old brother along, when it came time to pay for the change, his brother kept trying to tell him they didn't put any oil back in his car! Well, he had a few brews and being an older brother, he told him to shutup and go get in the car. Less than two blocks...WHAM..engine Gone!

moral of the story...there are so many slackers in the world today, if you want it right...do it yourself.

L8r bro....

Race
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by who1975
Hi everyone.

I know this topic has been discussed in the past and I even did a search through the forum and read all of the posts. I couold not find a good answer for my question. I do not want to start another war on which is better. I was just wondering if I use 5W-30 oil for my oil change. I took my truck to Jiffy lube and they put 5W-30 oil instead of the 5W-20 that Ford recommends. They said that it would not hurt the vehicle. But that got me thinking and I started to worry. Will 5W-30 oil be bad in the long run for my truck? Can I stick with 5W-30 oil or do I need to use 5W-20 oil from now on? Thanks for not flaming me and for the responses.
if your truck is anything like mine, 5W-20 is on my oil filler cap. WallyWorld did the same thing but put in 10W-30. I just had them fix their mistake. They shouldnt have a problem with that. Take it back.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:36 AM
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if your truck is anything like mine, 5W-20 is on my oil filler cap. WallyWorld did the same thing but put in 10W-30. I just had them fix their mistake. They shouldnt have a problem with that. Take it back.
Yep, just like sending back food because it's not cooked correctly.........what do they do to it when it's back in the kitchen???? Did they change the oil???

5-30 I would not be concerned with and it is the oil I use.....10-30, I would have it changed!
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 01:33 AM
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5W-30 isn't different enough to hurt your engine. But as for CAFE the only reason for 5W-20, I heard something different. Even though Ford didn't change the engine spec/tolerances in 01' (when 5W-20 started being speced), they found the lighter oil to lube the upper valvetrain better, reducing wear on the modular engines.

That's why Ford started recommending 5W-20 on almost all their modular F150 engines back to 97', even though those engines no longer effect CAFE.

BTW - Dodge recommends 5W-20 on the new Hemi V8s because they work better with their multidisplacement system.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 08:35 AM
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My 2 cents, get it out of there and put the correct oil in, 5w-20 synthetic blend. That's what manual calls for. Was just at Walmart, they now have the motorcraft oil filters back - $3.69 each, I will pick up at least 3. I bought 3 cases of motorcraft oil when they were clearing them out 6 months ago... wonder why they are back?? ( or maybe just getting rid of old inventory ).

Also, I even had ford dealer screw up and only put 5 quarts in versus 7, glad I check on these type of things, that's why I do oil changes myself now.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 08:59 AM
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Thanks everyone for your replies. I will probably just keep the 5W-30 in it until I reach 10000 miles and then change it. I have 8300 miles on it right now. I would like to start learning how to change the oil in the truck. I used to help my dad change the oil in our cars when I was in High school, but stopped a long time ago. I am guessing that it is not too difficult. Can anyone shed some light for me in case I want to starting trying in the future? I have never claimed to be knowledgable when it comes to cars. But, I am always willing to learn.
One more question, is 5W-30 synthetic similar to 5W-20 oil? They just put regular 5W-30 in mine but I noticed that you could get 5W-30 synthetic as an option.
Thanks.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:06 PM
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Thanks everyone for your replies. I will probably just keep the 5W-30 in it until I reach 10000 miles and then change it. I have 8300 miles on it right now. I would like to start learning how to change the oil in the truck. I used to help my dad change the oil in our cars when I was in High school, but stopped a long time ago. I am guessing that it is not too difficult. Can anyone shed some light for me in case I want to starting trying in the future? I have never claimed to be knowledgable when it comes to cars. But, I am always willing to learn.
One more question, is 5W-30 synthetic similar to 5W-20 oil? They just put regular 5W-30 in mine but I noticed that you could get 5W-30 synthetic as an option.
Thanks.
Very easy to do on my 5.4L 4X2. Not sure if 4x4 is any harder...
Step 1. Locate oil drain plug on the bottom of the oil pan and remove. It is a metric plug, around 15mm if memory serves me.
Step 2. Remove the oil filter. Might take a filter socket, but really should only be hand tight.
Step 3. Reinstall oil drain plug.
Step 4. Install new FL820-S (for 5.4L, not sure for 4.6) making sure to lubricate the rubber seal with a dab of fresh oil. Tighten filter by hand, turning 3/4 of one turn after the rubber seal has contacted the seat.
Step 5. Add 7 quarts (again, for 5.4) of the oil of your choosing. Check for any leaks.
Step 6. Drink a cold one.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:17 PM
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PiggNFord-

Thanks for the detailed instructions. I have a 2005 5.4L 4x4. The one questions I have is about the filter. Once I lube the filter and am getting ready to put it back onto the truck, I only need to screw 3/4 of a turn? If I remember when I used to help my dad with oil changes, I needed a filter tool that had a metal circle that would fit over the filter and then a handle to loosen it. Do I need to tighten the filter more or is 3/4 of a turn enough. Does the pressure tighten the filter on its own? THanks again.

PS. I also have been trying to do more research on this and have read that some poeple like to change the oil after the vehicle has been sitting over night versus some people who like to drive the vehicle for a while and then change the oil. Which is better or is there even a right or wrong? THanks.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:21 PM
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Very easy to do on my 5.4L 4X2. Not sure if 4x4 is any harder...
Step 1. Locate oil drain plug on the bottom of the oil pan and remove. It is a metric plug, around 15mm if memory serves me.
Step 2. Remove the oil filter. Might take a filter socket, but really should only be hand tight.
Step 3. Reinstall oil drain plug.
Step 4. Install new FL820-S (for 5.4L, not sure for 4.6) making sure to lubricate the rubber seal with a dab of fresh oil. Tighten filter by hand, turning 3/4 of one turn after the rubber seal has contacted the seat.
Step 5. Add 7 quarts (again, for 5.4) of the oil of your choosing. Check for any leaks.
Step 6. Drink a cold one.

I'm going to add a 4.5.
Top up the oil filter before installing it with your first quart of oil. It takes about a minute to do, fill it, let it sit a second then fill it again and again till it's actually full. Holds about half a quart or a little less. That ensures that when it cranks up the first time that the cams are not run dry.
Saves wear and tear, and that rattling sound on first start.
FYI, very little oil will spill out of the topped up filter. I usually spill about a tablespoon from a topped up filter.

Also, if you are going to do your own oil changes, always be sure you have an approved filter with the Silicon anti-drainback filter. The Motorcraft ones have an excellent price. The lower price Fram and some of the bargain filters seem to skimp on the anti-drainback valve, and should be avoided.
The premium filters all seem pretty good.
Chris
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:28 PM
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PiggNFord-

Thanks for the detailed instructions. I have a 2005 5.4L 4x4. The one questions I have is about the filter. Once I lube the filter and am getting ready to put it back onto the truck, I only need to screw 3/4 of a turn? If I remember when I used to help my dad with oil changes, I needed a filter tool that had a metal circle that would fit over the filter and then a handle to loosen it. Do I need to tighten the filter more or is 3/4 of a turn enough. Does the pressure tighten the filter on its own? THanks again.

PS. I also have been trying to do more research on this and have read that some poeple like to change the oil after the vehicle has been sitting over night versus some people who like to drive the vehicle for a while and then change the oil. Which is better or is there even a right or wrong? THanks.
On the 3/4 turn, that is AFTER the filter seal has contacted the seat, and that is just a rule of thumb. Point was there is no need to gorilla tighten the filter, that can actually cause leaks.

Also, I like to run my truck at idle for about 5 min before I change the oil. It gets the oil warm and it seems to drain quicker, but I'm sure there are other opinions on that as well.
 
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