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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jpdadeo
If you got the 5.4L 3-valve, the Air Force One gives you the MOST hp & torque gain; assuming that’s what you’re trying to achieve.
Until someone does a back-to-back test on AF1 vs. Volant vs. K&N FIPK vs. etc., etc., that is an erroneous statement...

 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 10:05 AM
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I'll probably do the air raid. Would get the FIPK if I could find one for my 05. I don't think anyone has mentioned any codes with either of these two.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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You're paying for R&D and a host of other things.

I'd rather pay someone for a medication that has been tried and is tested true rather than someone walking up to me at Home Depot telling me that this will cure my chest cold.

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true I could understand the whole medicine thing, but these are pieces of plastic how different can they be. I mean, I did a cai on my gt and really didn't notice to much of a difference except a cool little noise, and that thing was pretty straight forward, plastic tube, hide the air filter in the fender, slap a name brand on it and wow I just paid $200 for my piece of plastic,awsome!

And these cai, exception for volant are exposed to the heat from the motor, so isn't that kinda hurting performance untill you get on highway. I dont know, once I see true dyno #'s all performed on the same dyno not different dynos different trucks is when I'd buy into it (as far as the 4.6 is concearned, 5.4 is different).
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 11:35 AM
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i am gonna just do the K&N replacement and save up for some other "necessities"
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RangerBill
Until someone does a back-to-back test on AF1 vs. Volant vs. K&N FIPK vs. etc., etc., that is an erroneous statement...

You should give Mike a ring and have a nice chat about that, because if memory serves he has posted in the “Chips & Programming” forum all about the back-to-back R & D
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 01:22 PM
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well k&n made a new polished intake like the af1 you might think about.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 01:24 PM
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true I could understand the whole medicine thing, but these are pieces of plastic how different can they be. I mean, I did a cai on my gt and really didn't notice to much of a difference except a cool little noise, and that thing was pretty straight forward, plastic tube, hide the air filter in the fender, slap a name brand on it and wow I just paid $200 for my piece of plastic,awsome!

And these cai, exception for volant are exposed to the heat from the motor, so isn't that kinda hurting performance untill you get on highway. I dont know, once I see true dyno #'s all performed on the same dyno not different dynos different trucks is when I'd buy into it (as far as the 4.6 is concearned, 5.4 is different).
Good idea; be sure to post the results. What are you thinking, 3” PVC and some plumber strap?
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jpdadeo
Good idea; be sure to post the results. What are you thinking, 3” PVC and some plumber strap?

am I picking up a lil sarcasim


I am just saying for the money vs gains on a 4.6 I just dont see it worth it
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jpdadeo
Good idea; be sure to post the results. What are you thinking, 3” PVC and some plumber strap?
You mean like the one I made? I fabbed one up while experimenting with the stock intake. It does away with the restrictor at the fender and retains the cold air intake. Combine that with a better flowing filter in the stock filter tray and it is an improvement over the stock setup and it costs less than $50.00 to do.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by noname05
am I picking up a lil sarcasim


I am just saying for the money vs gains on a 4.6 I just dont see it worth it
Sarcasim seems reserved only for those who DON'T have or want an AF1 intake...

jpdadeo -- BTW, did a search, can't find the post you were referenceing w/respect to the R&D you say Mike did w/air intakes & the 5.4 3V. Found snippets where he mentioned nor recommending the Volant due to lean issues, but no HP #'s for the Volant 5.4 3V. If you can find it, I'd like to see it just out of curiosity, and the fact that I think it would be helpful info to anyone trolling this thread. Thanks.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 05:44 PM
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Are you trying to say there were problems with the lean conditions on the Volant? I've never heard of any cases of a lean conditions with the Volant.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 06:12 PM
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Sarcasim seems reserved only for those who DON'T have or want an AF1 intake...
You know, I really don’t care which intake anyone uses; it’s not my concern and doesn’t affect me; that’s the bottom line. The comparison R&D Mike talked about in his post, is spread out over several months and many threads; it would be easier to call him to get the skinny
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 08:05 PM
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Are you trying to say there were problems with the lean conditions on the Volant? I've never heard of any cases of a lean conditions with the Volant.
I remember some people posting about a lean code from the Volant about a year or so ago. I believe Volant redesigned the tube and sent them out to anyone who had a problem or just asked for it. It never really got much attention on this site because not many people had it at the time and I think the problem was found and cured in a relatively short amount of time.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jpdadeo
You know, I really don’t care which intake anyone uses; it’s not my concern and doesn’t affect me; that’s the bottom line. The comparison R&D Mike talked about in his post, is spread out over several months and many threads; it would be easier to call him to get the skinny
If you do not care, then why post at all on the topic???

Why do I want to call? I already have a Volant and I'm happy.

You keep bringing up the R&D and making claim to "numbers" that have been established, but you won't follow through on where, exactly, one can FIND the "numbers". We have gone from a "post" to "spread out over many posts". What is that all about?

I'm not dissing the AF1 (or any other intake, home-made or otherwise), but I'm just getting tired of having it "sold" without any hard-core proof (that you keep offering up but don't seem to be able to provide). I'm sure Troyer has run the #'s, etc. But I just wish that if you are gonna keep making claim, that you can provide the info w/respect to comparison to the AF1.

Saying to "call Troyer" is a cop-out on your part. If you want to bring it up, then prove it with the numbers that you are claiming have been posted. If they have not been posted, then YOU call & provide them. I can tell you right now that many of us will appreciate your efforts and will be more than happy to express our gratitude.

Otherwise, saying that you are happy with your AF1, and the performance gains you got, and the customer service you got from Troyer will be MORE than sufficient to prove your point. We all know that Mike has a stellar reputation and does his homework with complete R&D. NOBODY is disputing that, and we all respect him and are appreciative to him for his R&D and products he make available to us for our trucks.

It is also noted and established that you are a VERY happy Troyer customer -- and that goes a long way as well.
 

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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 09:23 PM
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Hey. Arn't the AF1s the ones that are causing a lot of people to throw CELs?..
 
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