1997 - 2003 F-150

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Old Mar 18, 2019 | 08:44 PM
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That's a 4 valve engine, and it's not an easy swap.
 
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Old May 9, 2019 | 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Kman52
Thank u and I'm having an issue with the truck idling and it's running to ritch and I'm am using the 4.6 computer and because I didn't want to switch harnesses I use all the plugs from 4.6 in one of the forms it's says to do this but I'm just having an issue with no idle and running really Rich I also used the 4.6 injectors and the 5.4 fuel rain
Ive had this problem before it may not be but I would check to make sure the pvc valve hose is connected and secure and take it off to check for any cracks or air leaks they are easily nocked off especially in the process of you putting the motor in it could’ve came loose when the intake or throttle body was going in. Just big possibility.
 
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Old May 9, 2019 | 03:44 PM
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I hope it's fixed, 4 years later.

You really need to look at post dates before replying to a thread.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2019 | 10:19 PM
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Ok so I am still lost here about the pcm

Ok I am confused... I did a engine swap 4.6 to 5.4 on my 1997 f-150 everything runs great.... I am running the 4.6 pcm and the coil pack .... so basically right now my 5.4 engine is still running like 4.6 ... I want to get the 5.4 power so what’s the best option for me i here tuning it and other say swap out the pcm to 5.4 it will probably be cheaper... but if I get a 5.4 pcm how would I know which one to get ? I am thinking probably a 5.4 pcm the same year of my truck (1997) because that year doesn’t have PATS... please help me figure this out .. I think I already lost all my hair trying to figure it out .....
 
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Old Nov 19, 2019 | 12:04 AM
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You would have to make sure the 5.4 PCM is out of a same year truck with the exact same transmission, like I told you in the master swap thread. You may still have to reprogram it with your VIN, but not too sure about that.

Note - all automatic 4.6 trucks had a 4R70W, but most 5.4 trucks that year had E4OD. The 5.4 never had a manual transmission. If yours is manual, a 5.4 PCM won't work.

I still say you should just get a programmer and custom tunes for your PCM. That will make it run even better than a stock 5.4.

If your 5.4 is out of a 97 or 98, putting a set of PI heads and manifolds on it off a 99 or newer will give you a substantial power boost, properly tuned, of course.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2019 | 01:02 AM
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Back to tuning and thank u for helping

So I am gonna call tomorrow about tuning see what they tell me .... so I am gonna get a tuning for a 5.4 since I got motor in and running now right ? evan thou I have a 4.6 pcm
 
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Old Nov 19, 2019 | 10:23 AM
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Like I said, you need to tell them exactly what you have now so they can advise you properly.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2020 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kman52
Hi I'm new to this from and I have a 2002 f150 that I have purchased from a friend. I bought the truck knowing the 4.6 was toast, bent all exhaust valves on passenger side and broken piston. I bought a good running 2001 5.4 and did the swap buy the information I have found on this form but I have run into a bit of a bind. The engine has a hard time starting and once it does start it won't idle at all I have to rev it to keep it running I have tested my tps,maf,O2 sensors ect everything is good except it is running way to rich. I know it's running way to rich because I have a live data scanner.also when I drive it I will go threw has faster then I can put it in. I have used all the 4.6 sensors the only thing I have on the motor that isn't from the 4.6 is the fuel rain, because from the 4.6 to the 5.4 the holes to bolt in the fuel rail don't line up anyone could help I would be thankful and if I left anything out ask 2x4 automatic 150000k on truck I'm stuck
It could be because you used everything from the 4.6 to put on the 5.4L
 
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Old Dec 30, 2020 | 02:15 AM
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This is an old thread but the info is still useful to those who have an issue and need the info..
Cold start utilizes the cylinder head temperature and intake air temperature sensors to tell the computer it's to be a cold start setup at the moment the ignition is turned on before even cranking. The fuel pump also runs at this time for a few seconds then shut off. As cranking begins the fuel pump will turn on again due to the crank sensor detection of crank rotation.
This sets the fuel rich and advances the ignition timing and opens the intake air control for increased idle RPM.
A Carbed engine needs all the same actions for fuel , open throttle/high idle and advanced timing.
Are these sensors hooked up and functioning? These are the only way the PCM has to know it should set up for cold start set-up and control as it warms up to go closed loop for Ox sensors to take over fuel control and bring the idle down to normal after heat builds.
Hot re-starts is the same except for the temperatures sensed and settings calculated.
Is the fuel pressure up to speck?
Is there an intake vacuum leak etc?
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Once running is the there enough fuel pressure? You need close to 35 PSI at the fuel rails.
These are the basic things you need to know for cold starting, idle and closed loop smooth running.
Which PCM are you using?
The system will not tolerate anything missed.
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Old Oct 10, 2021 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by savageautosales
Im no pro but from what Ive read, the 5.4 computer needs to be used due to fuel trimming
just get a Coputer Tuning and ill Work better
 
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Old Oct 11, 2021 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Paxton187
All of the above was false as far as tuning and all that other stuff. I have done a bazillion of these 4.6L to 5.4L swaps, and they all ran fine. Only known differences are some 4.6Ls use 2 temperature sensors so you can build a T or tap another hole into a water passage. And exhaust is wider on 5.4L. IAC wires will need extended since its further back on the manifold now, temperature sensors wires will need extended as well. EVERYTHING else can stay 4.6L. You DONT want to use certain 5.4L things cause your computer will want to see the sensors from the 4.6L and will be thrown off by slightly different 5.4L sensors. One big one for example, my truck ran poorly with the 5.4L mass air. Dont change them. Mixing 5.4L sensors with 4.6L computer parameters is all bad. Certain things dont matter, certain things do. It's up to you to know what you should and shouldn't use.
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Old Oct 11, 2021 | 10:58 AM
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Will it work with 201 4.6 Romeo?

Originally Posted by Paxton187
All of the above was false as far as tuning and all that other stuff. I have done a bazillion of these 4.6L to 5.4L swaps, and they all ran fine. Only known differences are some 4.6Ls use 2 temperature sensors so you can build a T or tap another hole into a water passage. And exhaust is wider on 5.4L. IAC wires will need extended since its further back on the manifold now, temperature sensors wires will need extended as well. EVERYTHING else can stay 4.6L. You DONT want to use certain 5.4L things cause your computer will want to see the sensors from the 4.6L and will be thrown off by slightly different 5.4L sensors. One big one for example, my truck ran poorly with the 5.4L mass air. Dont change them. Mixing 5.4L sensors with 4.6L computer parameters is all bad. Certain things dont matter, certain things do. It's up to you to know what you should and shouldn't use.
Will this work with a 2010 4.6 Romeo swap to a 5.4?
 
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Old Oct 11, 2021 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Joeag_2125
Ok I am confused... I did a engine swap 4.6 to 5.4 on my 1997 f-150 everything runs great.... I am running the 4.6 pcm and the coil pack .... so basically right now my 5.4 engine is still running like 4.6 ... I want to get the 5.4 power so what’s the best option for me i here tuning it and other say swap out the pcm to 5.4 it will probably be cheaper... but if I get a 5.4 pcm how would I know which one to get ? I am thinking probably a 5.4 pcm the same year of my truck (1997) because that year doesn’t have PATS... please help me figure this out .. I think I already lost all my hair trying to figure it out .....

I guess a custom tune is too difficult??
 
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Old Oct 11, 2021 | 09:56 PM
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I guess a custom tune is too difficult??
You replied to a 2 year old post.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2021 | 07:32 PM
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Easy swap

Easy swap. Just did 4.6 to 5.4 on my 03 screw. Literally used 5.4 torque converter and had to play with the exhaust a little and everything else was plug and play. Runs perfect on 4.6 tune with no check engine lights. Power is all there as I've had plenty 10th gen 5.4 trucks and know what they feel like.
 
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