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LIKE NEW 50lb Injectors AND WTF I'll through in the Factory Injectors

FOR

60LB Injectors

 

Thanx for clearing that up for me Charles.

 

Sal, you are right they are inconsistent and I'm quite certain they are not a matched set because they cost more. I would bet at 23 pounds boost some of the weak ones are not flowing enough fuel and running lean causing the plug to burn and some of the “strong” injectors are running rich evening out the o2 reading making the overall a/f look correct.

Charles

 

LOOKING TO TRADE

LIKE NEW 50lb Injectors AND WTF I'll through in the Factory Injectors

FOR

60LB Injectors

 

hell no not if their not squirting!!!!
i guess ill just go for the 60's too
but why are the 50's not working well? alot of guys have them and i have not seen this problem so prominate. but it does make sense that that could be the issue with the plugs along with the funked up PB
maybe also with the boost being so high may it be backing up the injectors? just a thought i guess

 

Further toward explaining Rob’s symptoms. We know the Mag is flowing a huge amount of air into that engine however the power level is not where I would expect it. Since it has been proven that the intake valves open by boost pressure alone at pressures greater then 18 to 20 psi by myself and Master-of-Pain it is very possible a considerable amount of the intake charge is never used by the engine to make power but instead is burnt in the exhaust. Rob has complained that the Mag does not make power with NOS is also explained. The NOS is flowing right out the engine without making power by 23 psi opening the intake valves during the exhaust cycle. The intake valves together with weak springs could be acting as 8 waste gates.

So inadequate non-matched injectors and not upgrade the springs to stronger aftermarket ones explains a lot.


Charles

 

Pull the injectors and have them cleaned/flow tests; I believe most Diesel shops can do it for you

 

I have been going through this post and have taken in alot of info.
I have a MP and was not happy with it at first.

I have an 04 this was my first set up
Stock Block,Heads,Cams,and Springs
Kooks Headers
Magnapacks with xpipe
Accufab SBTB
50lb injectors
JLP CAI
4lb lower
2.7 upper
TR6
SCT 9100 tuner

That returned the following
439hp 515tq at 16 degrees
453hp 535tq at 20 degrees

truck had nothing at the bottom

went to Sal for a retune had then following done since the last tune. MP idler bracket,SCT Big Air MAF,and 6lb lower.

My returns were as followed
465hp 570tq at 16 degrees
474hp 571tq at 20 degrees

So what I learned from my truck is
YES you need to spin the MP.
But I only picked up 9hp and 1tq on my race tune(why even bother )
I see 17lb of boost then it climbs to about 20 21 at shift.


I waiting to see what effect the springs have on Robs truck.

One thing I would like to say is

Every truck is different no matter how you look at it they may looks the same and came off the same assembly line they are still different.

What works for one truck as we see won't work for another.

Later Joe

 

One round of Viagra for the truck and a double shot for the old man!

 

I find your satement about being offended, disrespectful and offensive. It comes off as "How Dare You Question The Great Sal".

The plasma booster did not cause burnt plugs. I ran a plasma booster for 2 years in every condition imaginable, including conditions much more extreme than you are dealing with here.

Now the 50# injectors not flowing properely would cause roasted plugs and lean situations.

My observation of this situation is that Rob wants to make more power than his credit card can handle. So he is mixing and matching components to save money. The ported eaton will allow tuning for the crap accessories he has chosen. But up the anti with a bigger blower and you cross another line.

This post started out as how the MP blower was sub-par to a ported eaton. This is simply not true. The MP put out more boost in your own tests. You could not convert it to HP.....don't blame the blower folks, it is doing it's job.

Have Rob open the check book and bUy MATCHING 60# INJECTORS. Go ahead and tell him what everyone else knows about the extender......BS and bitch to tune for. Buy the SCT Big Air...actually get the injectors at the same time so they all are set up to work together. Whip out the SCT software and get that tune where it needs to be for the MP blower. Then he will see what 3 extra pounds of boost will do for him.

All In My Humble Opinion.....no disrespect intended. I am just trying to get people to think of other parameters that affect power gains with new blowers.



Rocks

 

You made a post stating that the truck was not being tuned right, and then ended the post telling Rob to get it tuned the right way. How did you expect me to take that?

That statement is "simply not true". This post started out as "we have a problematic truck with an MP, and these are the results of some testing we did". OTHER people who replied turned it into an MP being sub par issue. Now that's not to say that Rob and I do or don't feel that way, but all we did was post the data, everyone else made their own conclusions.

You keep posting things like that, acting like you know what you are talking about, when you are wrong on most accounts. It's one thing to post some ideas on what you "might" think the problem is; it's another thing to come on here and post like you know the problem for sure, when you don't, and are trying to tell me how to fix it.

 

Have you done any "tuning" to your trucks computer? If you have that is just plain scary

Basically your saying Sal don't know WTF he is doing.......... In reality he has done everything possible with what he has to work with

It's pretty sad that the chearleaders keep pointing fingers at the person doing the tuning instead of the part(MP) that is being pushed by there favorite vendor..............

 

LMAO, Rob rocks

 

And?

Maybe there is an issue with his Plasma booster. But yeah, you're right, I've never had an issue with my particular Ford, I'm sure no one else in the world ever has had a Ford problem either.



Who cares how much money he has to spend and who cares what components he has? Better yet, why the **** do you care and what made you think it was your business to post that? I wasn't aware that EVERYONE was expected to run the same combination of mods in order to go fast. Oh wait that's right, it's because we all have become lemmings. What Rob and Sal have been doing is extremely informative and I for one appreciate that Rob takes the time to post his findings.

No one called it a sub par blower, they said they were having other issues and switched to the Eaton and the issues went away. Make your own conclusions, that's why they are putting the info out there.
My truck has a SCT MAF, Diablo Chip, and 55lb injectors, we've had no problems tuning it. I would have liked to go all SCT but it wasn't all available when I did my mods. Sal had NO PROBLEMS tuning around it or converting for the SCT Maf and Diablo tune, nor should any respectable tuner. BTW, why don't you pick up your phone, call SCT and ask them who they recommend for tuning Lightning trucks.

There is nothing helpful, humble or informative about your opinion, in fact we are all now dumber for having heard what you have to say.