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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dilloncawthon
what exactly is the difference between an inch and a three inch body lift that makes it so unsafe. i know this is a topic that has been argued on for years but it seems like everyone that argues against them just talks about stories of a body falling off in a wreck that they heard from a friend of their brothers friend etc. etc.

yeah and im pretty sure the OP is running a 3in. kit
the bolts for a 3" body lift are 2" longer. which means if you actually off road your truck, it will create more pressure on those bolts, and they will bend or break easier. thats if you go offroad.

if you put a 3" body lift on your stock truck just so you can have big mud tires and look cool on the pavement, theres nothing wrong with that, and unless your body is rotted, there likely wont be any issues.

just make sure you check them now and then to make sure they arent warped, cracked, and that the bolts stay tight.

those stories you hear are because typically the guy who doesnt have enough cash to get a suspension lift but really wants to beat the crap out of his truck is usually a guy who has an older truck. those are more likely to have body rot. in that case, extreme torque on the body mounts from body roll, acceleration torwque, and all the other stuff people do when offroading, can rip the bolts right out of the body.

if you have a newer truck you shouldnt have any issues.

its just frowned upon by us jeep guys because of the above reasons, plus its not a real lift. it does nothing for your suspension. so we look at it as the same as the "donk" guys who put spring spacers on their old monte carlos so they can put 26" rims on them. its just for looks. not function. especially since all the guys i know with new trucks with huge lifts, all waxed up, big tires... are all STILL MAKING PAYMENTS and are too scared to wheel it anyways (dirt roads, flat open fields with mud, etc. dont count)

but for us, 3" of body lift on a jeep is bad news because we do a crap ton of flexing and crazy trail riding, and you dont want that kind of stress on longer bolts, not to mention jeeps rust easy and that causes issues as well.
 

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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 04:29 PM
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this isnt a jeep forum, and it doesnt appear that hes doing any rock crawling with his truck. he started the thread asking about wheels and tires, not to get bashed about his lift. what looks good to some people, might not look good to others. totally getting off topic here.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by speepdaedeesi
the bolts for a 3" body lift are 2" longer. which means if you actually off road your truck, it will create more pressure on those bolts, and they will bend or break easier. thats if you go offroad.


if you put a 3" body lift on your stock truck just so you can have big mud tires and look cool on the pavement, theres nothing wrong with that, and unless your body is rotted, there likely wont be any issues.

just make sure you check them now and then to make sure they arent warped, cracked, and that the bolts stay tight.

those stories you hear are because typically the guy who doesnt have enough cash to get a suspension lift but really wants to beat the crap out of his truck is usually a guy who has an older truck. those are more likely to have body rot. in that case, extreme torque on the body mounts from body roll, acceleration torwque, and all the other stuff people do when offroading, can rip the bolts right out of the body.

if you have a newer truck you shouldnt have any issues.

its just frowned upon by us jeep guys because of the above reasons, plus its not a real lift. it does nothing for your suspension. so we look at it as the same as the "donk" guys who put spring spacers on their old monte carlos so they can put 26" rims on them. its just for looks. not function. especially since all the guys i know with new trucks with huge lifts, all waxed up, big tires... are all STILL MAKING PAYMENTS and are too scared to wheel it anyways (dirt roads, flat open fields with mud, etc. dont count)

but for us, 3" of body lift on a jeep is bad news because we do a crap ton of flexing and crazy trail riding, and you dont want that kind of stress on longer bolts, not to mention jeeps rust easy and that causes issues as well.
but the bolts that come with body lifts are often times even stronger than factory bolts so they are not weaker due to the increase in length. the purpose of them is to be able to clear larger tires to have more ground clearance.
those "donk" guys that you see with the lifted monte carlos or caprices have a boxed suspension, i think its called, they use s10 or other small truck knuckles and fab them up to fit the car. this gives them the lift needed to fit the huge wheels.
i have a body lift. check out my albums, that's only a 10th of the worst stuff that ive gone through. i got a body lift because that is the only way i could fit 38's on my truck without getting a new suspension lift. most of the stuff i go through today i wouldn't have even tried with my 35's.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by T-rob
this isnt a jeep forum ----no its not. i never said it was, but i did use my jeep as an example. why? well because its lifted with mud tires, which is what hes asking about right? oh are we limited to only using f150s as examples here? sorry.

and it doesnt appear that hes doing any rock crawling with his truck.----i never said he did. i was using it as an example of how body mounts would get stress from body roll. its something that happens when you take a truck off road and it leans to one side.

he started the thread asking about wheels and tires,----i agree, but he also says he has a 4" body lift. that was part of his post. im responding to that part.maybe it was a typo? maybe he doesnt know how much body lift he has? maybe he has a 3" body lift stacked on a 1" body lift? who knows? but thats what im discussing

not to get bashed about his lift.----im not bashing him. i actually said "IM NOT BASHING YOUR LIFT... BUT.... did you read that? sorry if i dont like it.... but as your about to say below, we are all entitled to our own opinions

what looks good to some people, might not look good to others.----see above. i dont think it looks good. am i not allowed to say anything if i dont like it? because i dont.

totally getting off topic here.not really
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 09:13 PM
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i just put on 35 12.50r20 nitto trail grapplers and with a 3" bl it barely rub at all just had to trim inner fender about an inch cant even tell will post pics tomorrow
 
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 09:42 PM
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It does seem kind of dumb to not have the 951s to fit the older trucks. BUT.... Knowing those rims are unavailable for your truck, I would for safety sake, ignore the advice about adapters, and just pick a different wheel...

FWIW, the Moto Metal 951s are so overdone on the 2004 and up trucks that they almost appear to be as common as stockers. Not really something I want on my truck, but that's just me...
 
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dilloncawthon
but the bolts that come with body lifts are often times even stronger than factory bolts so they are not weaker due to the increase in length. the purpose of them is to be able to clear larger tires to have more ground clearance.
those "donk" guys that you see with the lifted monte carlos or caprices have a boxed suspension, i think its called, they use s10 or other small truck knuckles and fab them up to fit the car. this gives them the lift needed to fit the huge wheels.
i have a body lift. check out my albums, that's only a 10th of the worst stuff that ive gone through. i got a body lift because that is the only way i could fit 38's on my truck without getting a new suspension lift. most of the stuff i go through today i wouldn't have even tried with my 35's.
i agree. body lift kits, and suspension lift kits, should all come with at least grade 8 hardware. if they dont, you should be replacing whatever they come with. but even grade 8 will break under too much stress.

the point i was trying to make is its one of two things..
1. he wheels it, in which case it will see alot of body roll
2. he doesnt wheel it, so its probably ok as long as he checks on it every once and a while.

but what your saying is that a 3" body lift isnt less safe than a 1" body lift because its good bolts. all im saying is that a longer bolt, when subjected to the same angle of offroadness, will see more stress than a shorter bolt. it might not be much more stress, but the more you wheel it, the more stress it sees. this CAN cause issues. does it always? no. does it even commonly? no. but the chance is out there.

thats all im saying, and i simply refuse to let you keep saying it isnt true lol. nannie nannie boo boo lol.


bottom line...
take your rti score before the body lift and bigger tires.

add body lift and bigger tires.

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