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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 02:53 AM
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Lightbulb Remote Oil Filter Mount

I know this topic has been discussed at length in a number of other threads so I'll try and keep this one short. I have a question at the end of the text.

I recently mounted a TD Performance Oil Filter Relocation Kit in my 2001 SuperCrew 5.4L. I did 'not' however like the idea of mounting the relocated filter on the left front frame rail as has been mentioned in other threads. Soooo, I fabricated a steel mounting plate that mounts on the inside of the left front frame rail, and is held in place with a 1/2 inch bolt through an existing hole in the rail. From my perspective this fabricated mounting plate provides two key benefits when utilizing a remote filter.

One, it allows the filter to be mounted slightly higher up (about an inch or so) into the bottom of the engine bay, and two, the plate has a protective shield in front of the filter cartridge which 'should' help protect the filter from damage by road debris. The mounting location still keeps the filter cartridge readily accessible when it's time to change your oil.

My question. Does anyone think there is enough interest (e.g. a market) for this item? Liked the way it worked in my truck so much that I thought others might like it as well.

Let me know what you think.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 10:04 AM
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remote filter mount

BigDeal could you post some pics i know i might be in the market for one
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 10:29 AM
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Second that request for pictures.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 11:41 AM
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Same Here
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 05:43 PM
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SAME HERE!!!!!

I have not changed my oil and filter as of yet (new 2002 5.4L), but I have seen where the geniuses at ford put the filter mount.

I would definatly be interested, send pics!!
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 08:26 PM
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I knew if there was any interest in this item that everyone would want to see some pics. I have a very poor digital camera, which when I took some pics of my installation, did not come out well enough to post within this thread. Since there apparently 'is' some interest here, I'll try and borrow a friend's camera and get some 'good' pics to post. Stay tooned ...........
 
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 08:21 AM
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If you are looking for a custom mounting bracket, I have found one that is already made. I'm not sure if it would fit the filtration system you describe, this one is for the Amsoil System.

http://www.dieselsite.com/filter/cmb.htm

It even has a picture for a 2000 F150.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 12:04 PM
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msparks..... Neat piece. Should have known Amsoil would probably have something similar. Two things though. For my truck I did not deem a double filter necessary, which I believe is what Amsoil is offering. The larger single filter utilized as part of my relo kit was a huge improvement over the stock filter. The other thing is the mounting location for the Amsoil plate. Their unit mounts somewhere rear of the engine / tranny on the drivers side frame rail. Although this placement does offer some arguable advantages, I did not wish to run that much oil hose under my truck. My mounting plate somewhat mimics the mounting location recommended by Ford with their OEM Relo kit (on the drivers side frame rail behind the front bumper). It also allows me to mount my filter approx 1.5" higher than would be possible utilizing the Ford OEM recommended positioning. One advantage to me in utilizing this mounting location is that I could get away with using 24" oil lines run up over the top of the frame rail to the filter. I also incorporated a 'deflector' into my mounting design, which 'should' protect the filter cartridge and mounting plate from damage by debris passing under the truck.

I guess this is just a long response to simply say that I thought I could build a better birdcage. Or maybe I just felt a need to re-create the wheel. I guess time will tell.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by BigDeal
For my truck I did not deem a double filter necessary, which I believe is what Amsoil is offering. The larger single filter utilized as part of my relo kit was a huge improvement over the stock filter.
I guess this is just a long response to simply say that I thought I could build a better birdcage. Or maybe I just felt a need to re-create the wheel. I guess time will tell.
Bigdeal.

I understand your excitement about improving things on your truck. Some people think that loud mufflers, loud stereo's, nice rims, and computer chips are a big improvement.

Myself, my truck is totally stock except for the filtration system. I felt the need to do things that help make the truck last longer and also improve the performance.

You have taken a big step at upgrading your filtration system by installing a larger capacity filter. This will do 3 things it will increase the flow of your oil, since a larger surface area of the filter will have less restriction. Also you will have a larger oil capacity, with will allow better cooling, since a larger filter can pull more heat from the oil. 3rd the filter should have more capacity to hold more dirt and contaminants, this will insure that you filter will not prematurley clog and go into by-pass mode which would increase wear rates.

Hopefully you have chosen a filter that has better filtration effeciency, (filters smaller particles) Some to look at are Mobil 1 filters, K&N oil filters, Purolator PUR 1, and AMSOIL's SDF oil filters.

One step further than full flow filtration is the concept of by-pass filtration, this type of filtration allows the oil to work its way slowly through the filter which can keep the oil even cleaner.

The filtration system on my truck allows me to have a larger full flow filter, and also I get the by-pass filter. The by-pass filter is capable of filtering to less than 1 micron, Studies have shown by filtering particles between 5 and 20 microns you can reduce engine wear over 70% when compared to removing particles that are 40 microns and larger(most full flow filters are capable of 25-40 microns)

You can do a search on google for by-pass filters. There are several companies that make these types of filters.

I do think that you are on the right track as far as engine longevity goes.

Keep that oil cool, Keep it clean, and your truck will last a long time.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 03:50 PM
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Be careful, a larger filter does not mean more flow. Yes, you have more capacity but, any give volume of oil has to go in, and back out the same size openings as with the stock size filter. Matter of fact, the FL-1A size filter with a 3/4-16 threaded opening is actuall SMALLER than the 22X1.5 factory thread size opening of the FL-820 type filter. The center opening (which is atuall the exit for the oil filter) is going to be the "choke point" of oil flowing through the filter. Also, a larger surface area of the filter media does not increase flow. Flow would be increased only due to the fact that you have more room for quantity. Two filter medias of the same material but different sizes will flow the same. It doesn't matter how much oil can flow through the filter element because it's a little bigger if you can't get more oil in or out of the housing. Now, is the size difference of the opening between the two filters significant. NO, not at all. But it is something to keep in mind.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 04:41 PM
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Be careful, a larger filter does not mean more flow. Yes, you have more capacity but, any give volume of oil has to go in, and back out the same size openings as with the stock size filter. Matter of fact, the FL-1A size filter with a 3/4-16 threaded opening is actuall SMALLER than the 22X1.5 factory thread size opening of the FL-820 type filter. The center opening (which is atuall the exit for the oil filter) is going to be the "choke point" of oil flowing through the filter. Also, a larger surface area of the filter media does not increase flow. Flow would be increased only due to the fact that you have more room for quantity. Two filter medias of the same material but different sizes will flow the same. It doesn't matter how much oil can flow through the filter element because it's a little bigger if you can't get more oil in or out of the housing. Now, is the size difference of the opening between the two filters significant. NO, not at all. But it is something to keep in mind.

I can't see the opening being that much of a difference as compared to the amount of surface area of the media.


I think you flow is mostly governed by the filtration media and the size of the filter.

The remote kit that I am using is also the same one specified for the Ford Powerstroke and the Dodge Cummings. The exception being the size of the filter adapter that you mount on the filter housing.

Both filters that I use are as bigger and even bigger than that is specified for those trucks.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 11:28 AM
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MSparks.... Thanks for the feedback. As kind of a footnote to your comments, I added the remote filter option on my second oil change at 9750 miles. At that time I switched to Mobil 1 Full synthetic 5w30 and a Mobil 1 oil filter. With the larger remote filter and kit, I picked up just about one additional quart of oil in total volume.

You're right, my primary drivetrain emphasis has been geared toward longevity and providing an superior environment for the engine (oil and oil filter kit, K&N Filter element, and Gibson catback exhaust). I want this truck to last me for quite some time. I do however have that pride in ownership thing happening though, so a few shiny pieces here and there can't hurt.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 12:34 PM
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Does someone have a Ford part # for the relocation kit?? I was going to go aftermarket.

Ian
 
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 01:28 PM
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Do a search, I believe it has been listed on here before.
 
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