I've seen this in the news and it claims to increase your milage by 22% and decrease pollution. I called this company and asked if they did any testing on a F150. They only did tests on GMC trucks so far... I was wondering if anyone here heard about this. I want to test this thing and see for myself but it would be 200$ cdn from my budget.

So what do you think?

Here is the link:http://www.pvitech.com
It will not work on purpose, just copy paste into a browser address bar.
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From: http://www.pvitech.com/pvi/whyplatinum.html
Increased heat?? Thats probably why they go on-
Common gas would probably detonate prematurely under the "increased" heat.

I'd ask them a couple of questions:

Does the fuel savings come from better engine efficiency or is it a result of the VPI being injected instead of gas? As has been discussed here before, water injection can clean an engine and improve fuel mileage.

Also, does the cost of the PVI offset any savings from increased fuel economy?

Sounds interesting. If you try it, let us know how it works.

 

Could be a SCAM... (Maybe that's whay they are only testing on GM trucks hehehe)
Be careful...
Ford says that my engine was designed to run on 87 Octane Gasoline - that's why I don't use a substitute "fuel". What will happen to your warranty?

 

To scam or not to scam, that is the question.

This thing works like the catalytic converter only instead of burning fuel in the tail pipe, you use it in the combustion chamber!

:http://www.pvitech.com/pvi/emissions.html
copy+paste URL to address bar, thanks!

found the emmisions tests and if this is true, man what a difference!!

Just to update my earlier post, I later called the company (today) and the guy said that it WILL work on any car just that some vehicles will see 15% and others will see up to 30%. On the news report I read here (from Montreal) it read that on some cars they saw a 45% increase -these are from independent tests. PVI Industries claim 15 to 30 on their site. As for the other guy saying that it didn't work, well he cant tell the difference from a plug to a clutch so maybe he installed it wrong.

The reason why I am buying this product is because it has existed for 19 years. If this would have just came out (right in time for high gas prices - And MPG on everyone's mind) I wouldn't even have bothered posting about this.

Well one thing for sure I will have my PVI delivered next month. And if I calculate a 20% increase I will save almost 500 dollars in fuel and will not feel as guilty when it comes to pollution. So I will update you guys next month with my MPG increase.

BTW: I asked them why doesn't Fords or GM and other companies have this system, since it will make less pollution. They responded with "We are in it to help make a greener planet, we could have sold our patents to a car manufacturer but we are affraid that the Fuel companies will buy the device and destroy it"

I'm not sure about the warranty, I don't think it can harm anything, other than a hose that you have to cut.

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Remember the Spearco alcohol/water vapor injectors of the 70's...Same thing just with chemicals added. A 50/50 mix of acoho; and water will do the same thing.....if you want to get really wild, use methanol! You can build a vapor injector complete for about $10. Anyone who would like to know can e-mail me since it would take more time than I have right now to put it on the internet! 22% increase in mileage is full of #&^$$#@#@%, but you will see a slight increase in power, mileage and you can run a richer fuel, timing, hotter plugs, etc.!

alvich@earthlink.net

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I think I will buy one, since their is garantee. So it is risk free. A guy at work bought one (ealier model) for his 1999 Maxima, he said he didn't see any significant increases in MPG.

I called the company and they said it may not give a 30% difference with every car. They said that if I believe that my truck will not give me a 15% or more increase in MPG, all I have to do is take it back for a full refund.

I know a lot of "sucker products" that claim better MPG and so forth. But this one just makes more sence to me. I guess I'll find out the hard way.

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I think they are more crap than real now. I just spent a couple of hours getting documentation from the EPA/FTC etc... I found that well, I'm not so hot about the idea anymore. I sent an email to the company asking some questions. I also cancelled the order because I'm waiting for a response. I can't wait to see if they will stand behind the product. Its kinda long but, this is what I sent to them:

Dear Sir or Madam,
I am a very skeptical consumer when it comes to these types of products (I think I have reason to). I have ordered your product in the hopes of getting at least a 15% MPG increase. I have arranged with one of your customer service reps to send it out at the end of the month. Just to let you know that if this really works, I’d be willing to spread the word and increase your sells significantly, I also know people that could help you enter Canadian Tire Corporation.

Any way I just wanted to ask you a few questions:

Now keep in mind that I’m very skeptical, I made a search on the web for government documents that would “claim” what is mentioned on your site. I downloaded 50 pages of PDF documents. But when it comes to getting the actual test results, I have to pay a fee to the NTIS to get the documents (PB92-104413INZ & PB92-104421INZ). Obviously I’m not going to pay a nominal fee to see their reports in detail. But I have read from the FTC:

“This gas-saving device is approved by the Federal government.”
No government agency endorses gas-saving products for cars. The most that can be claimed in advertising is that the EPA has reached certain conclusions about possible gas savings by testing the product or by evaluating the Manufacturer’s own test data. If the seller claims that its product has been evaluated by the EPA, ask to see the test results. Or better yet, get a copy from the EPA.

“This gas-saving product improves fuel economy by 20 percent.”
Savings claims may range anywhere from 12 to 25 percent. However, the EPA has evaluated or tested more than one hundred alleged gas-saving devices and found only a few that improve mileage and none that do so significantly. In fact, some “gas-saving”. products may damage a car’s engine or cause substantial increases in exhaust emissions.

Why would you put: “1. The PVI (Platinum Gasaver) brings about more complete combustion and better gas mileage in automobile engines by means of platinum catalysis. 2. The PVI (Platinum Gasaver) offers a 15 to 30% fuel savings when applied properly to a gasoline engine. 3. Independent testing parties make stronger claims for the PVI (Platinum Gasaver) than does National Fuelsaver Corporation, its developer."

Claiming this to come from the U.S. GOVERNMENT when it clearly contradicts the “ACTUAL” U.S. Government’s site?

Now if your product has been tested by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) where can I find the reports?

Apparently the EPA has tested your product and did NOT find anything that you claim as stated on your site, why?

Next is since you are PVITech, You should have all the reports/conclusions and test results performed by government (good or bad). I know that if you have bad results you wouldn’t just hand them out to me. But if you have official paperwork with indications that, yes, the product works than please fax it to me. This would put me at ease, if not I will just have to go out and buy the NTIS reports. Because I’m so curious and will just have to find out. Because I would like to tell or warn others about this type of product.

With all the research I have done, NOT ONE official place will say that the Gasaver will work, in fact they say that it is a waste of money and I should adapt better driving habits. Now I really want some answers, replying to this would help me better think of this product.

On the positive side. If this PVI really works on my “1997 F150 4x4 XLT 5-speed manual with 4.2L V6” I will become an official “preacher” for PVI tech. And (with your permission) would like to become a official dealer. The fact is I want a healthier planet. Oh! I would change the 1986 Ford F150 300 V6 pickup to 1986 Ford F150 300 I6 or 4.9L FYI: there wasn’t a V6 F150 in 1986.http://www.pvitech.com/pvi/testimonials


Thank you very much for your time.

Steve G.

PS. You can get my fax and phone numbers by replying to this email.

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4byFord,

I've been considering doing this myself. I e-mailed the company this morning with some questions. Maybe I should forget about it now!

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for more info on my truck, just click the link below and browse around.
http://www.fordf150.net




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Here is a short Follow Up:

I sent to the SAE an email asking what they are and what do they approve. SAE wrote back to me:

Hi Steve. It appears that PVI was the author of a paper, #891634, which was published by SAE. SAE does not endorse or approve any products. We provide a forum where people can share technical information and product innovations. If you are interested in ordering a copy of this paper, one of our customer service representatives will be glad to help you. Send email to *blocked* or call *blocked*. Let me know if you need further assistance.

I thought that the SAE was somekind of testing facility? IT IS NOT as you can see above. So why is the paper in the Historical Test Data section? Is it a marketing scheme or an honest mistake? Wow marketing is powerfull, so if you don't know what SAE is, you will assume that they test products since it is in the Test Data section.

Moral of the Story: Never believe claims from the salesman's site, do a little research and try to prove what they claim! If you find a gouvernment's site with test data that sais opposite, well go in the opposite direction.

 

I came across the site www.nationalfuelsaver.com which appears to be the U.S. version of this product.
FWIW, I spent the last 1/2 hour searching the Internet for the words scam and nationalfuelsaver and other stuff. I couldn't find anything that indicates this is a scam. No, I'm not defending them!!! yet :-)

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Kelly

for more info on my truck, just click the link below and browse around.
http://www.fordf150.net

 

Kelly, did you get my email with the attachment. There is your answer about the scam thing.

 

Yes, I received it. It looks like I'll save my money.
If anyone wants a copy of the attachment "Federal Trade Commission Facts on Gas-Saving Products", just e-mail me.

Kelly - kelly*nospam*@fordf150.net


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Kelly

for more info on my truck, just click the link below and browse around.
http://www.fordf150.net

 

They finally wrote back to me, I got the Vice Presidents attention here is what they say:

Dear Steve,

Thank you for your comments. It is true the US gov't does not endorse ANY product. We do not claim that, however, they have verified our results in the court of law in 1984 where we proved our product works.

Where you have to look is in the US Postal service court decisions on the web for the court documents themselves, or I can fax them to you. The EPA who says we do not work, had their test thrown out of the litigation in 84 as there test was not a proper test for our product. Their test procedure was not what we told them they would have to do to simulate actual road conditions. Instead, they took our product into THEIR lab without us present and then come up with results that say there is not change. This was in 1991 and it is interesting how we have sold 200,000 more units since then! Their agenda is not favorable to our type of product.

I hope this answers your questions.

The CTC is already in receipt of our information and we are talking with their buyers. We have another person in Ontario who will be meeting with them for us. Thank you for offering your assistance, it would not hurt to talk to you about this also. Please call Troy Bohlke our national sales manager about this.

The SAE phone number is: 724-776-4841 Our SAE document is: Paper 891634 It is about 18 pages of test data that proves our results. I also have a second 1/4 million dollar study of our technology that again proves our results down in 1995 by a huge US coal mine company for the reduction of diesel fumes in underground mines. Call Troy about this and he can fax that to you.

Thank you for your testimonial correction, this was what the customer wrote, but I will get his permission to change that.

If there is anything else you need, please let Troy know.
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I don't know what to think anymore, these guys really stand behind the product. I will get those faxes and check out the test data and try to contact the labs...

I don't know why I'm being such a harda$$ on this. I guess I really want this thing to be real and since I'm soooo hard-headed, I'm looking for enough proof for me to buy one.

Maybe I can exchange some marketing tools for a "test" kit to be installed on my truck.

 

The only thing I don't understand is the pdf file that Kelly was talking about is dated
November 1992 and (to what I understand) the test performed as indicated on this sheet where done in December 90. If the U.S gov't found out that in 1984 the thing works why publish bull*****.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't look right?? Either the documents are BS or PVI Tech is BS'ing me!

I think I will offer a lucrative marketing tool in exchange for one kit to be installed on my truck. I would have bought this thing awhile ago but I'm not rich! If I was I would purchase some and see for myself, and this topic would be quick and easy (yes or no).

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