Just dusted my buddies '98 Z71 350!!!
Got tired of hearing all the trash talk, so we lined 'em up- I beat him by about 2 or 3 truck lengths! And that's the bottom line.
------------------ '97 Ford SC 4X4 XLT Off Road pkg., 4.6,A/OD, 3:55, premium sound w/CD chg, Black clct,towing pkg., hvy duty elec. pkg., Bridestone dueler AT's, line X, Flowmaster true duals, chip, K&N air filter, smittybilt stainless nerf bars |
YEAH BABY !!! When is the next trip to the drag strip ???? Keep up the good work !
Have Fun & Keep on Truckin' Dean ------------------ 1994 F-150 XLT Supercab, Long Box, 302 EFI, Automatic, Royal Blue in and out, Captain Chairs. Chrome Rims 15x8's, Michelin LTX M/S 105S 235/75R15 (Summer), OEM Aluminum Rims 15x8's, Michelin LTX M/S 108S (Winter), Lightly Tinted, Soft Tonneau Cover, Ford Receiver Hitch Cover & Lock, Alpine CDM-7829 Head Unit, PPI 4800 Amplifier, Kicker 10" Solo Baric Sub with Custom Box and Kicker Impulse 6.5 Mid & Tweets. |
HI!... IZZYEDDY : I see that you are also from WINDSOR, CANADA. What part of WINDSOR do you live in. I live in south WINDSOR near "3B"!8-)
------------------ NEAL [ the horsepower freak ] NEWMAN '99' F-150 XLT SPORT, oxford white, reg cab shortbox stepside,5.4, auto, 4.10L.S, captain's chairs, bedliner, GTS carbon fiber headlight covers, **** CEPECK clear halogen driving lights, GTS slotted tailight covers (painted oxford white), FORD locking lug nuts, tinted windows,true duel exhaust with 2.5 inch mandrel bent pipes and FLOWMASTER 3 chamber mufflers with 3' tailpipes exiting before the rear wheel like the LIGHTNING, HELLWIG rear stabalizer bar, AUTOMETER guage pod and tranny temp guage, custom fabricated air intake trac and huge K/N filter, TPS mod, BELLTECH 2-inch rear drop, custom programed SUPERCHIP. FUTURE MODS : JBA headers, ASP power pulleys, twin electric fans, traction bars, BAUMANN ENGINEERING shift kit, POWERAID spacer, AUTO METER oil preasure/ engine temp PHANTOM GUAGES and a KENNE BELL BLOWZILLA supercharger. ESTIMATED H.P TO DATE : 310H.P / 405ft/lbs of torque. OTHER TOYS : "83" PRO STREET FORD RANGER : 351-w stroked to 408c.i 625H.P (natural), 875H.P with 250H.P "BIG SHOT" N.O.S kit, tubbed (crome moly tubing), 12 point chrome moly roll cage, 4-link with coil overs, MUSTANG II front suspension, c-4 tranny (race prepped), 4000rpm stall converter(8 INCH), 3" chrome moly driveshaft,AUTOMETER guages, 15.50 MICKEY THOMPSON rear tires, 4" M/T front tires, CENTERLINE CON-VO PRO rims, fiberglass hood - bumper - prostock hood scoop, wishbone trac-link, two chrome moly driveshaft loops, 16 gallon RCI fuel cell,etc |
Now Neal, don't be a bad influence on Izzy. He's always abided by the speed limit(ers).
------------------ Dunbarton "The Middle Aged Kid" '99 XLT SC SB 4x2 4.6 auto 3.55 ls The occasional Z-71 Eater! Wedgewood & Denim, SuperChipped, Airaid FIPK, Rhino Liner, Extang Classic tonneau cover, Mobil 1. Man, I got it all! (New Jersey) |
What gear ratio did he have? Did he have any modifications? If his had some mods, it would be hard to believe you beat him by 3 lengths. My dad has a 98 chevy with a 350, it has 255hp, the only mod it has is a filtercharger.
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I have a hard time believing that a automatic 4.6 w/ just a chip, filter, and exhaust would beat the guy's truck by two or three lengths. '98 350 had 255hp, 97' 4.6 had 225 or 220 cant remember which. You probably had around the same torque numbers factory. Z71's are geared 3.73 factory, or at least most of them are. Now w/ all your mods, I'm estimating you have around 255 maybe? 15 for chip, 15 for exhaust, 5 for filer(very liberal for filter). Was his all factory? Factory size tires? Ext cab? Auto?
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BlackNTan,
Its 220hp. Heres how he adds up. 25{chip)+15{exhaust}+5 filter, so thats 265hp. Nickster, Great Job! When I was stock, I raced a 1993 Ford F150 5.0 Auto, Reg Cab, lOng bed {4x2} with 3:55 gears and beat him by 1 and 1/2 truck lenghts. I can only imagine what I could have beaten him by if I had your mods! https://www.f150online.com/f150board/smile.gif ------------------ Fast46Triton ® 1999 Fast46triton Edition® Ford F150 XLT Supercab, Shortbed, 4x2, 4 wheel disc brakes/4 wheel Anti-Lock Brakes, Cloth Seats, Amazon green, 16" All season tires, Soft Tonneau Cover, CD Player, 4.6 liter Triton V8, 3:55 ls, towing package, 4 speed auto, K&N Airfilter Email me at fast46triton@yahoo.com |
Well this is only relevant because of the racing stuff, but my Dad just got an Excursion with the V10. He has low gearing (some where in the 4.10 range). We raced and he stayed right along side me. I had about 600lbs extra stuff in my truck but I was suprised he could keep up. Its all about gearing. Just my .02
Bones ------------------ 2000 F-150, XLT, 4X2, Ext. Cab, S/B, 4.6L, 3.55 L/S, Tow Package, Premium Sound CD Player. Future Mods: NONE, I'm broke. |
I have beaten every Z71 I lined up with. The "extra cabs" I beat by several Truck lenths, and the "reg cabs" only by one Truck length.
I only have the 4.6 with K&N and chip, stock exhuast. I don't even know their motor size, cuz they were too PO'ed to stop and chat afterwards. Not sure if they were madder at the fact that a Ford beat them or Girl! (edited to reflect it was not my intention to exagerate about HOW many Trucks lengths, as I couldn't actually SEE how far behind me it was. I was only guessing based on how long I was waiting at the light for them. OK? I thought I win for ME was a win for Ford, but Heck I can keep it to myself if it bothers you guys! I don't need to brag, I already got MY rocks off when I beat those guys!) ------------------ Andthensometoo ® "Moonlight Blue" 98 F150 SC XLT 2WD 4.6, 3.55 LS Tow Pkg. SUPERCHIP, K&N Airbox mod. w/ "Cool" intake, Mobil One Oil, Bosch +4's, Throttle Body Spacer Plate. Lund Fastback, Lighted visor, Runninng Boards, Crome Taillight covers, Polished Steel Fenderwell Moldings, Smoked Bug and Rain guards, Shelf-it, Carpet dash cover, "Andthensometoo" in silver Letters 3" tall on tail gate. Red Wings license plate in front, Red Wings license plate frame in back, Little Detroit Viper hanging from mirror, Oh yeah, and one "Blacked-out" grill. Gonna get my Bed rails back on, Finally! Couldn't find the right Polished steel design, so once I modify the powercoated ones I just bought, I will paint them. Q: who wants my "Pocket Mount" chrome ones? Price:cost of shipping, or gas and maybe lunch if you live in S/E MI. "Rocks don't move unless pushed, and neither do chevys!" http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/daytona/843/ [This message has been edited by Andthensometoo (edited 02-25-2000).] |
Chalk up another one for FORD!
I did the same thing to a 99 or 2000 Z71..which had a couple truck lengths on me. The guy would not even look over at me at the next light (I don't blame him). The Z71 sure looks cute in my mirror! ------------------ 2000 F-150 XLT, 4x2, 5.4L Supercab, Styleside, Black with silver two-tone, 3.55, class III towing package with heavy duty cooling package, 4 wheel disk ABS, overhead console, sliding rear window, keyless entry, dark graphite interior, in dash CD, Pendaliner bedliner, K&N air filter, rubberized undercoating, cabin filtration system, Bugflector II, 5W-30 Mobil 1, engine build 10/4/99 |
I better keep my comments to myself. This seems a bit exagerated.
Fast: Sounds like you've raced 3 old F-150's First a 95, then a 96, and now a 93. Which is it? I think your making up stuff now. I raced a chevy extended cab 2wd w/vortec 262 5-speed (200hp) with my 89 F-150 4x4, It only has true duals, and he only beat me by maybe 3-4 feet. There is a 10hp difference there, and I was driving a 4x4. 265hp versus 255hp, isn't going to make 3 car lengths. At least if he knew how to race. Sorry guys, I don't buy it. [This message has been edited by Pastmaster (edited 02-23-2000).] |
Pastmaster,
Quite saying things like that. I said WE OWNED a 93' and a 95' and I think the one I raced {not one I owned, duh} a 93 or 96, not sure. |
Oh, my bad. That style was made from 1992-1996. You can tell first by looking at the wheels. If they have red caps, it would be a 1992-1994, black on 95 and 96's. Then look at see if it has a CHMSTL on the cab, 94 and newers have that. How did you know it had a 302? 1992's have tiny front air dams only, rest have large ones. If it had the aluminum rally wheels look for rivets, if it has them ,it would either be a 92or a 93,newer didn't have rivits.
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No hard feelings. I knew it was a 302 because I knew the guy.
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Pastmaster...
You sure seem to be going around the message boards calling the 'integrity' of members into question. What's the deal? If FAST of all people said they beat a 5.0L...(in another post) he did. I am sure Nickster did the same..these are some powerful trucks.... In my case..you can 100% believe what I posted. Have you even driven a 2000 5.4L F-150? The reg cab version is the fastest stock truck (excluding lightning and the like) on the road today. No flame intended....just an observation. Overhead cam engines are strong..and no, they were not just created for emissions requirements....by the way...Horsepower is not what gets you up to speed...it's the torque and the Triton motor puts a whole bunch of it (much more than the others) to the rear wheels and on the ground. That's why the F-150 has the highest torque rating of all the full size trucks (Ram, Tundra, Silverado). Torque is what gets you up and going...Horsepower maintains it. And since the Triton motors are right up there..but with more torque than the rest at the lowest RPM..guess who wins. Again....no flame intended...I've been reading your posts...and look at all of the other posts from members who are confirming their "kills". Is everyone's integrity being called into question? ------------------ 2000 F-150 XLT, 4x2, 5.4L Supercab, Styleside, Black with silver two-tone, 3.55, class III towing package with heavy duty cooling package, 4 wheel disk ABS, overhead console, sliding rear window, keyless entry, dark graphite interior, in dash CD, Pendaliner bedliner, K&N air filter, rubberized undercoating, cabin filtration system, Bugflector II, 5W-30 Mobil 1, engine build 10/4/99 [This message has been edited by Dustoff (edited 02-23-2000).] |
I just dusted all the furniture in the living room and dining room!
Check that one off my "Honey-Do" list. ;D Congratulations on the Z71 https://www.f150online.com/f150board/biggrin.gif https://www.f150online.com/f150board/biggrin.gif https://www.f150online.com/f150board/biggrin.gif |
Black and Tan,
I can verify it too. Have several kills of pre-99 Z71s and a 97 Yukon (same guy twice!). Now I don't know for sure if all the Z71s were 350s or 305s but you see very few that are not 350s. Now I know a Yukon is a 350...... Now the 1999/2000 Z71s are a different story for me..... ------------------ Dunbarton "The Middle Aged Kid" '99 XLT SC SB 4x2 4.6 auto 3.55 ls The occasional Z-71 Eater! Wedgewood & Denim, SuperChipped, Airaid FIPK, Rhino Liner, Extang Classic tonneau cover, Mobil 1. Man, I got it all! (New Jersey) |
So what's the big surprise? Most know the Ford takes the cake [most] of the time. My kills are taking on the LD 3/4 ton Chevs with 7.4's. I've done several, including my brother-in-laws and it's just old hat now. (I know my B-I-L only has 3.73 gears and I have 4.30's so that helps as well). But still like to keep the compentition hopping.
Good original post Nickster! F250NUT ------------------ 1999 F250SD, XLT, 4x2, SC, V10, 4.30, LT235x85x16R, Longbed, Diamond plate mud flaps,Trailer tow Pkg, Class IV hitch, Camper special, sliding rear window, rear privacy glass, Ford rain gutters, Line-X, Lund wind deflector, Banks Trans Command, Banks tranny temp guage with Auto Meter single guage pod. Reese 15K fifth wheel hitch |
I always just wonder if the other fellows know they were racing...
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Dustoff -
I'm not speaking for Pastmaster, but what is wrong with being skeptical about what you read on the internet? Past has personal experience with similar vehicles, are you 'questioning' his integrity? Things I've read on this board that I am skeptical of: A chip will add up to 4 mpg (I gained 1 mpg) A tonneau cover will add 3 mpg A new air filter element alone (not the FIPK or Airraid, just the element)will add 1 mpg and a noticeable performance increase (mine did neither) New shocks will make my F150 ride like a luxury car The same shocks will make my truck handle like a race car (mine were a subtle improvment) F150's with approximatley 20 pounds per horsepower will consistently outperform other vehicles with 17 - 18 pounds per horsepower. Some 5.4s get 20 mpg regularly A V6 can get 28+ mpg on the highway There is a special 235 hp version of the 4.6 in some trucks Shoot, I'm skeptical if Tom Brokaw tells me something on the nightly news - Am I supposed to believe everything I read on this board? |
My truck had 220hp from the factory! Even with the mods I did, it didn't make a tremendous difference. But I still think if I were bone stock I would've still beat him. By the way he has 3:73's, ex-cab, bolt-on exhaust. I think that's about it. And for the record, I took the chip out of mine so that's one less mod. for the Ford.
------------------ '97 Ford SC 4X4 XLT Off Road pkg., 4.6,A/OD, 3:55, premium sound w/CD chg, Black clct,towing pkg., hvy duty elec. pkg., Bridestone dueler AT's, line X, Flowmaster true duals, chip, K&N air filter, smittybilt stainless nerf bars |
V6 28 MPG (in a small japanise car - maybe), sorry for laughing. I'm very skeptical too.
for the record my V6 gets 22MPG with 3.08 gears (maximum-babying & speed limit only). Any of you guys raced with a turbo firefly... these guys are telling that they can beat corvettes??? I raced with one once in my ZX2, I won but he said he is new with manual transmissions and if he had a little more experience he would have kicked my butt??? ???? thanks ------------------ 1997 4x4 XLT 4.2l ORP 5-speed For more details and pics please see my site...Thanks www.eph1fifty.cjb.net |
Heheheh... Saw that you beat a 1993 F-150 with a 302 and had to laugh...
My '91 with the 302 gets about 13 seconds for a 0-60 run... We're not dealing with very strong engines here, folks... The '98 F-150 with a V-6 that I traded for this older truck made 0-60 in 12 seconds, chipped... (but didn't tow as well!) -Mike |
I'm not trying to start a war with anyone. But Some of this stuff is TOO unbelieveable. I know these engines too well, I know what they can and can't do. I believe that in some cases it can be beat, but my dad has a 98 chevy, and I have driven SEVERAL 4.6L and a 99 5.4L and a 2k 4.6L. I don't see a 4.6L beating a 350 vortec. I just don't see it myself. I don't have any beef with anyone here. I really enjoy this site. "B"ut some of this seems almost unbelieveable. I know the 302 like the back of my hand. It is a great engine, compariable to the 4.6L. I haven't been impressed with the 4.6L or the new Vortec engines for that matter. But you can't beat a Built Pushrod, even if it is "antiqued". I've been to alot of drag races, and have helped build at least 6 engines. I don't understand how 15-20hp can make 3 car lenths. I have no doubt the Tritons are good engines. But they aren't perfect. I wouldn't say that the Tritons are the fastest truck on the road, I've seen alot of built trucks that will beat any trition. I've just learned over the years, not to believe everything you hear.
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Mike Lewis - Are you questioning the integrity of people on this board? (just kidding)
Based on what other people have posted, it is impossible for an F150 with a chip to do such a slow (12 second) 0-60. After all, it has been clearly established that a 5.4 will do a 0-60 in 7.7 seconds, and that a Supercab 4.6 auto is just a little behind at 8.3 seconds. With a chip, your 4.2 made as much or more power than a stock 4.6L. Therefore, with a 5 speed and regular cab, a V6 with chip would surely be faster than a 4.6 SC auto - probably about an 8.0 second 0-60, right? Just add a tonneau cover and a K&N, and you will get 25 mpg. ------------------ 1999 XLT S/C, 4.2 V-6, auto, 3.55 rear, dark torreador red/harvest gold, bed liner, Sony 10 disc CD, Edelbrock IAS, K&N filter, Superchip |
Going back to what Dustoff commented. I compare what people on here say and what people say "in the real world". I know people who own both Fords and Chevy's. I'm somewhere in the middle. I talk to people who are diehard Ford fans and people who are die hard chevy people. Of course they are going to say theres is the fastest. My truck is fairly modified. I figured around 260hp. That means I should be able to keep up with a 5.4L, but possibly beating one. Does this mean that I'll beat a stock 4.6L by 3 car lengths? I doubt that. More like 1/2 to 3/4's the length of my truck. I have only raced 3 vehiles with my 93. A 97 flareside 4.6L, a 92 chevy(wouldn't call it a race) and a 87 RX7. the RX7 beat me by 3/4's of its length. All my friends race and none of them have ever said or actually beated or been beat, by an entire car length. Or more. I won't question anybody's "integrity" anymore. I'll just choose to believe, what I feel is lagitament. Don't tell me that someof you guys haven't stretched the trut a bit. I know I have.
I do believe that a 4.2L with a tonneau and a filter will get 25mpg. 12 sec does seem a bit low with a chipped 4.2L. It should be a lot quicker than your stock 302. It's a diffferent class and weighs considerably less.I don't know anyone personally who has a 4.2L. So Im just assuming what other people say on here. [This message has been edited by Pastmaster (edited 02-24-2000).] |
I've got to stop visiting this board so often, because I'm really beginning to question Ford's quality control.
Dustoff's 5.4 is the fastest truck besides a Lightning, but Psycho (see General Discussion) has a new 5.4 which is 0.9 to 1 second slower in the 1/4 mile than his wife's Chevy 5.3. Dustoff would probably beat Psycho by about 1.5 seconds in the quarter. Fast's 4.6 SC auto will do an 8.3 second 0-60, but another member with the same truck and carrying some extra weight can barely keep up with an Excursion (0-60 in 10.1 to 10.9 according to the magazines). Based on what I read from the members, Fords of any given model vary in power by about 25%. Next time I buy one, what is the secret to getting a Fast one? I guess my V6 didn't get any of the magic dust that some Fords get, and probably puts out close to the rated hp. I would guess slighlty under 11 seconds 0-60 stock and around 10 seconds with the better shifting and increased power of the Superchip (which increases my hp to 226 per superchips). I've driven four different Fords with a 4.6L engine, and one of my friends has an '97 SC 4.6 auto w/3.55 gears. If his truck can get to 60 in under 9 seconds and through the 1/4 in under 17 seconds I would be shocked. BTW at 60 mph, a car travels 88 feet in one second. That is over 4 lengths of an F150. ------------------ 1999 XLT S/C, 4.2 V-6, auto, 3.55 rear, dark torreador red/harvest gold, bed liner, Sony 10 disc CD, Edelbrock IAS, K&N filter, Superchip |
This is starting to sound like one of those "My dad can beat up your dad" type of matches.
When I say I beat a 302 f150 by 1 and 1/2 truck lengths, I did. Why would I lie? To show off? Nope. Anyways, the 302 was started back in 77', correct? Now look at all this time they had to perfect it. Give the 4.6l & 5.4l some time, and they'll be perfected just like the old pushrods were. |
Hey Neal, been away for a few days. I live on the East side, just off of Lauzon Road, about a block south of Wyandotte. Been looking for your truck around but haven't run into it yet !! I'll keep on looking.
TOPIC: Any of you guys live close enough to meet at a drag course and put it to the test ???? The only way to get correct facts and figures on these trucks is let the computers track it at the track. Have Fun & Keep on Truckin' Dean ------------------ 1994 F-150 XLT Supercab, Long Box, 302 EFI, Automatic, Royal Blue in and out, Captain Chairs. Chrome Rims 15x8's, Michelin LTX M/S 105S 235/75R15 (Summer), OEM Aluminum Rims 15x8's, Michelin LTX M/S 108S (Winter), Lightly Tinted, Soft Tonneau Cover, Ford Receiver Hitch Cover & Lock, Alpine CDM-7829 Head Unit, PPI 4800 Amplifier, Kicker 10" Solo Baric Sub with Custom Box and Kicker Impulse 6.5 Mid & Tweets. |
Neal, another thing, who did your exhaust work on the truck? Was thinking about true duels on my '94 but called Speedy downtown and they gave me a cost of around $750 for 2 new cats, and rest of exhaust.
Have Fun & Keep on Truckin' Dean ------------------ 1994 F-150 XLT Supercab, Long Box, 302 EFI, Automatic, Royal Blue in and out, Captain Chairs. Chrome Rims 15x8's, Michelin LTX M/S 105S 235/75R15 (Summer), OEM Aluminum Rims 15x8's, Michelin LTX M/S 108S (Winter), Lightly Tinted, Soft Tonneau Cover, Ford Receiver Hitch Cover & Lock, Alpine CDM-7829 Head Unit, PPI 4800 Amplifier, Kicker 10" Solo Baric Sub with Custom Box and Kicker Impulse 6.5 Mid & Tweets. |
No fast! It was started in 1967 in the truck. The 351 and the 400 were started in the trucks in 1977. That is probably true. IT will become a better engine over time. If the OHC design is so great, it should produce more like 260hp in the 4.6L and 300 in the 5.4L. That would make it more impressive. Like I said before, any stock setup SUCKS. Maybe our members trucks run differently than the ones I've driven. Because they didn't seem to impressive and fast too me. Except the 5.4L, I liked it. It too needs more hp.
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I agree...no one should start a war here.
Like I said...if *I* post something...you can bet your *life* on it. My truck goes 0-60 in 7.9 seconds everytime on 87 Octane..best was 7.8x. In my case with the Z71..maybe the guy hit his fuel limiter, maybe he pulled off the throttle at the very end when he realized I was right on him, maybe his was a 4x4( I don't know that much about SHUVY trucks)....who knows..but I can assure you..I caught his butt and was waiting for him at the next light. He was pulling away from me at first, very hard..and I thought no way I'll get him since he had such a large jump...but I did. Pastmaster...you recently posted that you WERE NOT an expert on the newer F-series trucks.. (*Who's made the most posts? (Page 2) Pastmaster Member Posts: 1204 Registered: 09-28-1999 From: Manhattan, Ks! Go KSU! posted 02-21-2000 10:57 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, I am catching up with you guys, although my knowledge on current gen F-series is somewhat limited, if you guys have a question about pre-97's, I will answer, even if I don't know what the correct answer is. *...now you posted the opposite above (engines)...which is it? Again...no flame..but ARE you an expert or not? Before you go around pointing fingers..maybe you should consider that some of us DO know a great deal about these newer F-150 trucks (this is my second one..I had a 98 5.4L F-150). I have been reading your posts and really do think you know a good deal about mechanics and I respect this. YOU have even taught me some 'stuff'. dirt bike dave--I have no problem questioning anything...heck..I use to work for the government (ARMY) for 7 years and have been in many interesting places/conflicts..*I KNOW MUCH OF WHAT IS IN THE NEWS IS BS* I agree with you and I also agree not every engine or truck is identical. I question someone who points fingers at 5 or more people and says no way in heck any of you are telling the truth. That's all. I found this info possibly interesting for you AND Pastmaster.....(about Ford's quality control) Supposedly the Tundra/extended cab, 4.7L with 3.92 rear was right at 7.9 seconds in the Truck Trend October 99 issue, page 29....(the 5.4L extended cab F-150 was at 8.0 seconds...right where I am at).......in another review (Truckin Feb 2000 issue, page 48)..the same style Tundra (extended cab, 4.7L, 3.92 rear) went from 0-60 in 9.27 seconds...the 5.4L extended cab F-150 was at 8.1 seconds (same page). HOW can there be such a difference in times? I guess Toyota is as screwed up as FORD huh? I'd like to add that I filled up with Premium fuel, 92 Octane, on my second tank with my 2000. I tried another 0-60 test at about 1/2 or so..it was 9.8 seconds...pathetic. So I switched back to 87 Octane and have been right on 7.9 seconds everytime. Let's end this...just understand...I am not full of **IT as you guys are claiming..I do happen to know a great deal about these trucks and what a 5.4L can do (and endevor to learn even more), I work with a bunch of 'gear heads' who drive them, build their own muscle cars, racing lawnmowers and also know a great deal about the 97+ F-150 (and much more). I seriously doubt FAST46 is full of **IT either. I doubt Nickster is either. What everyone has posted *IS* certainly possible. I am not on this message board to boast or even look good..I am hear to keep up to date on problems, recalls and help others with their questions. That is what makes this site the best on the web!!!!!! Let's keep it that way!!!!!! ------------------ 2000 F-150 XLT, 4x2, 5.4L Supercab, Styleside, Black with silver two-tone, 3.55, class III towing package with heavy duty cooling package, 4 wheel disk ABS, overhead console, sliding rear window, keyless entry, dark graphite interior, in dash CD, Pendaliner bedliner, K&N air filter, rubberized undercoating, cabin filtration system, Bugflector II, 5W-30 Mobil 1, engine build 10/4/99 [This message has been edited by Dustoff (edited 02-24-2000).] |
Dustoff, I'll do my best to answer your questions...
*...now you posted the opposite above (engines)...which is it? Again...no flame..but ARE you an expert or not? Before you go around pointing fingers..maybe you should consider that some of us DO know a great deal about these newer F-150 trucks (this is my second one..I had a 98 5.4L F-150). I have been reading your posts and really do think you know a good deal about mechanics and I respect this. YOU have even taught me some 'stuff'. Let's end this...just understand...I am not full of **IT as you guys are claiming..I do happen to know a great deal about these trucks and what a 5.4L can do (and endevor to learn even more), I work with a bunch of 'gear heads' who drive them, build their own muscle cars, racing lawnmowers and also know a great deal about the 97+ F-150 (and much more). I seriously doubt FAST46 is full of **IT either. I doubt Nickster is either. What everyone has posted *IS* certainly possible. [This message has been edited by Pastmaster (edited 02-24-2000).] |
Well said Pastmaster!
If you drive a 2000 F-150..the computer has to 'learn' your driving habits for optimum performance for the best tranny performance. It is in the owners manual (pg ?? manual out in the truck) and it was news to me (new for the 2000 model). So you might not see just what a 5.4L can do right away. I do drive mine hard..but I *never* beat on it. I believe the 5.3L chevy has more power at higher RPMs...it is designed for this...the FORD 5.4L..is designed for lower (towing) power. The 5.4L could use a bit more power at higher speeds. I can say that I am one of the ones that has not driven one of the newer Silverados. No one is perfect...not even FORD...as evident by the problems listed on this site. I have not owned a 4.6L F-150, but they are tough! When I posted that the new model F-150 is 'the fastest truck on the road'..that is from many professional reviews I have read (and I mean stock F-150s). Most of the reviews are saying that FORD puts the most torque on the ground than any of the others. I can honestly say it is like night and day between my 98 5.4L and 2000 5.4L F-150 (both with 3.55 rears)...and my 2000 only has 25 more HP. (I used the K&N in both). It is possible I was very lucky and did get a slightly faster (a few tenths) truck from the factory than other 2000 owners. My 2000 is 1.9-2.0 seconds faster than my 98 ever was (I was burning Premium fuel..and that seemed to give me more power). I rarely race my truck..but once in a while some Shuvy owner or Dodge guy wants to go..so sure..I'll do it, but rarely. I bought my truck for the size (safety). I appreciate your last post and look forward to chatting with you in the future!!!!! ------------------ 2000 F-150 XLT, 4x2, 5.4L Supercab, Styleside, Black with silver two-tone, 3.55, class III towing package with heavy duty cooling package, 4 wheel disk ABS, overhead console, sliding rear window, keyless entry, dark graphite interior, in dash CD, Pendaliner bedliner, K&N air filter, rubberized undercoating, cabin filtration system, Bugflector II, 5W-30 Mobil 1, engine build 10/4/99 [ [This message has been edited by Dustoff (edited 02-24-2000).] |
I think one thing to remember here is the phrase "apples to apples" which was stated earlier. There are so many factors that can differ between trucks (engine size, rear axle, maintenance, 4X4, racing knolledge and experience, etc) that can drastically effect comparing two trucks and a particular racing event. It is entirely possible that a 4.6 liter Triton can beat a Z71 with a 5.7 liter engine if one or more of the above factors are present on either or the trucks. Although, I believe a 5.7 would beat a 4.6 liter if all of the factors are held constant and both vehicles have proper maintenance. If Fast's 4.6 liter beats a Vortech 5.7 liter, that doesn't mean Ford makes the fastest engine of the two, it's not that simple. Besides, when have these things become race cars?
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Damn, I didn't mean to start all this B.S.!
Next time I beat a Z71, which I know WILL happen since this wasn't the first, I will refrain from posting it. And for the record, I didn't post this to impress anybody, since I don't know any of you fella's, I just wanted to let everybody know they're (Z71's) are beatable by our trucks. If you ever drive a chevy you'll notice that they're throttle response is mostly at the top of the pedal travel, which makes it seem soooo powerful, but as you're pedal goes from about half-way to full throttle theirs not nearly the power increase as the first half of the throttle. The ford is opposite, which makes for smoother, less jerky operation at normal driving, however you really see the power increase from about half-throttle to full-throttle. All I can say fella's is line 'em up and you'll see!!! ------------------ '97 Ford SC 4X4 XLT Off Road pkg., 4.6,A/OD, 3:55, premium sound w/CD chg, Black clct,towing pkg., hvy duty elec. pkg., Bridestone dueler AT's, line X, Flowmaster true duals, chip, K&N air filter, smittybilt stainless nerf bars |
No problem Nickster...everything is 100% cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You did nothing wrong at all by starting this topic!! ------------------ 2000 F-150 XLT, 4x2, 5.4L Supercab, Styleside, Black with silver two-tone, 3.55, class III towing package with heavy duty cooling package, 4 wheel disk ABS, overhead console, sliding rear window, keyless entry, dark graphite interior, in dash CD, Pendaliner bedliner, K&N air filter, rubberized undercoating, cabin filtration system, Bugflector II, 5W-30 Mobil 1, engine build 10/4/99 [This message has been edited by Dustoff (edited 02-24-2000).] |
Hello,
For what it's worth, I see a lot of postings acknowledging that it doesn't seem possible that a 220hp Ford engine can beat out a 255hp Chevy engine! I don't think I saw anyone mention that the advertised HP isn't always as it seems. I read an article titled, "Ford vs. Dodge vs. Chevy" (I believe that was the title) on the Truck Trend website. It basically compared the actual HP and torque for the largest available engines on the 1/2 ton trucks So the Chevy 5.3L was use, the 5.4L Triton, and the 5.9L Magnum was used. I believe the results (according to the Dyno tests) were no where near the HP and Torque ratings claimed by the manufactures. However, despite the Vortec claiming to have the most HP of the 3, it actually faired the worst. The Triton was the best, followed by the 235hp Magnum. Hence, all the stories do seem probable. Have a read of the article if it's still posted on the Truck Trend site. It's quite good. Mike |
My middle school dropout can beat up your middle school citizen of the month.
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Mike, hes got 265 hp {Superchip, Exhaust, Airfilter}.
Nickster, You did NO wrong starting this topic, we just have some people who disbelieve it, thats all. I for one, believe you. Heck, Ive driven a 350 Chevy, and they do not seem that much faster AT all compared to my truck. Dont care what anyone says, it doesnt seem faster. |
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