HI!... Well SOOPERCREW : I just got home from work and very tired, so I don't feel like proving you wrong right now.

P.S : Thanks guys, for the kind words. I'm getting sick of defending myself and my truck too!LOL! I just like the looks on the LIGHTNING (stock) guys faces at the dragstrip when I hang with them almost all the way down the track. Then I have to prove to them in the pits that I'm N/A and I'm not running a supercharger or NOS. I can't wait till next SPRING when I get this truck in the high 13's N/A!lol!

 

Hmmm....lets see here.....you(Yankee) probably just think I'm your average saleman and if I've had actual hands on experience?

I've got a 91 Camaro that I've owned for over 6 years now. Since day one I have constantly modified the car. Modified the original 305 TBI and began drag racing the car. Best of 15.0 @ 91mph. Next, I decided the TBI fuel injection was a restriction and changed over to TPI, added a mild cam and vette aluminum heads, all on the stock bottem end block. Ran a best of 13.6 @ 101mph. Added an 80 shot of nitrous, 12.8's @ 109.5mph. Broke # 8 piston, time for a new motor. After doing some research I picked out all my parts and built my latest engine. Its a 355ci SBC with all the trimmings.....AFR heads, Accel SuperRam, Ross forged pistons, etc., and I must say it runs pretty good(still tuning) for my first engine buildup. So far 12.4 @111.6mph in 100+ degree weather. I built the engine, I tune the computer (TunerCat software), and I drive it at the track! Here is the link to my website if you'd like to see it(http://www.i-55.com/~davidlt). Yep, I work up front in Sales, but I have experience and I definitely couldn't sell the parts if I didn't know anything about them.

Now getting back to the #'s. I agree the track doesn't lie. And by using the hp calculator on the Corral.net forum, you can get an idea of what kind of power an engine is making using the mph of your 1/4 mile and the weight of a vehicle. Again, I say an idea of what the engine is making. So by using 4500lbs as the weight and his 93.7mph the math comes to be about 290+ flywheel hp. Actually this is going to be a little high as I dug up the typical weight on a Flareside single cab to be around 4100lbs.

Obviously most of you just read a few words out of my posts and you believe that I don't think the truck is running those times. I NEVER SAID THIS!!! I absolutely believe the truck is running those times! What I am saying is that his truck is not making anywhere near that kind of hp (340hp) that Neal is claiming. So how did this estimated hp come about anyhow? Was it taking the hp claims that manufactures make and adding them together? Man, I hope not! So Mr. Neal, when you get enough sleep, please prove me wrong....and I will leave with my tail b/w my legs and never come back!!

 

Please Neal...let me offer a small sacrafice of praise to the "HP GOD" So that when you awaken from your sleep you can have mercy on any unbelieving soul.

Late...

PS: sorry if my sig is too long.

 

HI!... SOOPERCREW : I don't know how you figure out RWH.P, but your #'s are WAY off. 1ST off my truck in STREET trim weighs 4468lbs. This weight has been varified at 3 different computer weight scales near me. Accuracy is within 5LBS. When I go to the dragstrip my truck weights 4148LBS which has also been documented at weight scales and the scale at the dragstrip. My method of figuring out my H.P/TORQUE #'s is by using a computer program I bought called DRAG MATH. This program is EXTREMELY accurate an has been proven that way on dozens of accasions over the years. In fact it is so accurate that it estimated my freinds H.P within 4 H.P when he had his car dynoed and when he had his engine dynoed. It's usually always within a tenth or so on estimated 1/4 mile times also. SO, my truck weighs 4148LBS at the dragstrip, and it ran 14.52E.T. Are you still with me? DRAG MATH says that to push a 4148LB truck down the 1/4 mile in 14.52 seconds that the vehicle would HAVE TO be making 267.81RWH.P. Now, by using my MPH, DRAG MATH tells me that in order to get my 4148LB truck to hit 93.7MPH in the 1/4 mile that the truck would need to be making 266.32RWH.P. By the way the DRAG MATH program I have ONLY gives you required RWH.P figures not FLYWHEEL H.P. So with a estimated 25% drivetrain loss for the 4R70-W auto tranny, that steels about 65H.P. So take my figure of 267.81H.P and add 65H.P drivetrain loss and you get a rough estimated flywheel H.P # of 332..81H.P. Now I rounded it off to 340flywheel H.P because of the fuel starvation problem. I know with the right fuel set-up that I would hit that # easily. To just add a side note : When these passes were made at the dragstrip, my truck was having a major lean condition (fuel starvation) at the 900-1000FT mark. After that time my truck did not pull anymore, no speed (MPH) gained. So the MPH is not a true figure for the H.P calculator. Just like the slightly slower E.T is not a true comparision either because if I had the FUEL, the truck would of gone faster. I suspect 14.20-14.30's with proper fuel supply in current configuration. Also the stock 19LB injectors are only capable of supplying a 304H.P (flywheel) ENGINE AT 100% duty cycle. So if my engine was only making YOUR so called 290H.P why is it that my engine had major fuel starvation above 4000RPM with the stock injectors in my current configuration? SIMPLE. My engine is making MORE H.P than 304H.P. When I installed my 24LB injectors the fuel starvation problem at 4000RPM disappeared but is still slightly there about 4800RPM, due to a MAF that has not been calibrated for the 24LB'ers. Still gathering funds for a properly calibrated PRO-M maf. You also mention that you beleive my truck is running those times but not with 340H.P (flywheel). Well take this into consideration then. A LIGHTNING with 360H.P (flywheel) in stock condition will run in the low 14's around here and some GOOD ones will go 13's. I know the "L" is slightly heavier than my truck but not heavy enough to change the figures that much. PLUS everyone about now knows that FORD underestimated the flywheel H.P rating on those trucks. Actual flywheel H.P is closer to 400H.P. Dyno proven many times. I also have a buddy that works at the FORD engine plant here in WINDSOR that makes the "L" 5.4's and he works in the dyno room. He has seen many "L" 5.4's make 400H.P on the FORD in house ENGINE DYNO. As for DYNOING my truck? No I hav'nt done that yet. No GOOD dynoe's around in my area. Just the crappy "DYNOJET" dyno's. I would like to get my truck on a "EDDY" current dyno but I can't afford to drive to SUPERCHIPS in FLORIDA, to get a VERY accurate dyno session done. As for adding up the manufactures estimated H.P gain claims? Sorry I don't do that. I have inside info on what each part on my truck makes by it'self on the dyno tested on a similar truck as mine. Your estimated gain of 20-30H.P max!LOL! Well let's just say that my cutom SUPERCHIP and headers alone equal almost 45H.P at the flywheel. Plus there is stuff done to my truck that is'nt in my SIG. Got to keep some trade secrets to myself!LOL! As for my long SIG. Look around this site, there are a ton of SIGS that make mine look small. All I can say is if you don't like reading my LONG SIG then simply DON'T! By the way make sure you close the door completly when leaving. We would'nt want just ANYBODY walking in here!LOL!





P.S: Again I just want to thank everyone that has givin up their presious spare time to write a post in supporting me and my truck. Trolls are a part of the web, and we just have to learn to deal with them one at a time. The best way is to simple prove them wrong. I'm gone and everyone have a good night.

 

Bravo,

Neal 5 --- Poopercsrew 0

In the words of Mr. T "Shut up and sit down, fooo."


Mike

 

Whoa! All these numbers being thrown around are making me dizzy!
All I know is that I have seen alot of posts by Neal and he seems to know what he is talking about all the time and I know that my documentation states that my '99 5.4 has 260 H.P. stock.
Everybody be nice, now. At least we all have good ole Fords instead of sorry chevies
Y'all have a nice day.

 

45hp from the headers and chip??? OMG!! So tell me how come the Lightnings only pick up 15rwhp from a complete Bassani header/exhaust system and roughly about 20 or so from the good chips. Your unblown 5.4 picked up more hp than a blown 5.4! ROTFLOL!! I needed a good laugh in the light of current events. Also, if you don't believe in your local dyno's, how come you believe your buddies #'s are correct? Oh, thats right, you have DRAG MATH!! The most accurate dyno in the world!! BTW, check your own math....267rwhp and a 25% drivetrain loss comes to be 356hp. Don't you understand that you are losing 25% of the flywheel hp and not adding 25% of the rwhp. I guess not!! In my best Ace Ventura voice....."Loooooooooooserrrrrrrrrr!!"

 

Sport Truck Magazine did an article two month's back, on the 5.4L SuperCrew.

I believe it was adding a Superchatger to the Truck, not much else. In fact, they were testing out a Superchatger install, on a new '01 HD.

Anyways, the stock engine dynoed 210 RWHP, and I believe the RWT was 286 ft lbs.

I remember this, Why?

I have the 5.4L in my truck, and was glad to finally get a close quesstimate, to what my RWHP is.

Everyone play nice... "Peace, Frog"

R1968

 

All of the figures being show to prove both sides is confusing to me since if it doesn't start, its AAA time, however ever since I was a kid (more years ago than I like to remember), I have never had a "stock" vehicle. I have my 00 HD FORD at a shop now having an air suspension installed, and also having a Dyno run made. The work order reads "Dyno 3 Runs = 120.00". Have had the Holley SC and Flowmaster 50 on for approx 6 months and figure it was time to see the results on paper. If anyone is interested, I will post results.

 

Neal,
I am with you, well "said" and well done.

OOPS, sorry for the long sig!!

 

Saw your '91 Camaro--nice. I had a 1991 Z281LE set up for road course(driver's schools) and daily drivin'. Had a 6-point roll-cage, 305 ci(bored .030 over), chipped, hogged-out plenum & intake tubes, 350 ci inj's, MSD6, cam, roller rocker arms, etc. Never dragged her--just started doing 'that' with my L a few months ago.

Dan

 

Ranchero1968.....sweet, that's what I was looking for! I was trying to get an idea of what mine should possibly dyno. Thanks!

HD2NV89.....please do post the #'s. Would be very interesting.

LIGTNINROD.....Thanks! Yep, that is my toy! Fixing to install Hooker long tube headers, Mufflex y-pipe, and 3.5" catback. Hopefully will pick up about 2-3mph in the 1/4 over what's on the car now.

 

Where is your reasoning behind denying Neal's gains from a chip and headers? Of course the L would gain less power! It's computer is already tuned for a more powerful timing curve (i.e. more race-like), while the stock F-150's is tuned toward a more low-end power curve. Plus, the L's curve is for 92 octane fuel while a stocker's is built for 87. Headers would gain around 15-20 hp for both types (stock and L). So here's my version of your "fuzzy math."

Stock F-150:
260 flywheel HP
+25-30 HP for Chip
+15-20 HP for headers
=
40-50 HP gain....
+260 stock HP

=300-310 HP

Hmmm... that's funny... You know for someone who has built up an engine, you sure can't add!

Oh, and where you have built one, Neal has prolly built about 6 or 7 that have made well over 300 hp. He's undoubtably the "HP God." All I can say is God help us all if he ever gets a Lightning...

One more thing... enjoy my nice long sig...

 

You know how you said that 90% of all Neal's mods didn't do anything? Well, 90% of what you say doesn't mean anything! LOL!

-Flea

 

Soopercrew, it is like this. There are numerous links on this site that will prove without a shadow of a doubt that Neal knows what he is talking about. Personally, I have seen and riden in his truck, and I believe the H.P. figure that he states.

Check these links and then comment:

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ight=victories

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ight=victories

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ight=victories

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ight=victories

http://www.85merk.com/movies/Neal_Massive_Burnout-s.mpg

These are only a few of the links that are on this site along with other sites throughout the web.

The figures that you are getting of 290 hp for a HP figure is your rear wheel HP, NOT the flywheel HP!! There are more people on this site that believes what Neal has and if that doesn't convince you then you can always e-mail Mike Troyer as Neal has numerous conversations with Mike.

Have Fun & Keep on Truckin'
Dean