100% of the price of ethanol goes to the producers and shippers of the fuel. All of those people pay taxes on the proceeds, then the things they buy, they pay taxes on, their employees pay taxes, etc.... Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Not much of the money spent on E-85 leaves the country. And money that stays in the country gets taxed over and over
It normally stays around $.60-$.70 cheaper than gasoline.
It was kida funny, during the gas shortage here, people were topping every kind of vehicle off with ethanol cause they couldn't get anything else!

It's everywhere. The nearest one to you is in Dunwoody. (about 8 miles from your house) Theres some in Lawrenceville, Smyrna, Duluth.... About 15 or so in the Metro Atlanta area. This time last year there was only 1 in all of Georgia. And it was near my hometown in south georgia.

The nearest one to you is the one I frequent, in Smyrna.

This is the best way to locate them.

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/afdc/stat...nd_station.php

 

You continue to miss the point, there isn't money in it because special interests have continued to block funding for sources other than corn. If switchgrass were funded and subsidized like corn it would be an emerging industry.

Since you won't take it from me, here's another source that does the math to show that ALL of the corn grown in the U.S. would only replace 15% of the gas supply if ALL of the corn were processed for E85 usage.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/7013...-of-motor-fuel

Simple math then tells us that 33% usage of corn acres for E85, probably not a bad guess for a practical upper limit if more acres are planted in upcoming years (current usage is a little over 20%), would only make a 5% dent in the gas supply. Is 5% worth billions? Wouldn't that money be much better spent developing something that might actually become a long term solution?

Ya think? I see study after study showing how corn based E85 is not the answer, then I watch my governor and other politicians stand up there and tell us how great it is when, funny thing, I live in a corn growing state.

Did I say grow sugarcane? Don't think so, only pointed out thats what Brazil uses when you shoved Brazil at me as an example of ethanol being good. There are MANY potential sources for ethanol production, from other plants and grasses to even garbage and things like the algae fermentation someone linked to a bit ago. Those other materials and technologies would be MUCH further along right now if special interests had not managed to keep corn as the main focus.

 

A new gas station just opened a few blocks from my house that sells E85.

regular (85) = $3.34
E85 = $2.49

this looks to be the typical price difference here in Colorado.

 

I just left your hood man. I spent the week in La Vergne installing the enterprise voice mail system for Ingram Books.
Just thought I would say howdy and what a nice place to visit there.
I did go to the Mexican place there in Smyrna, but being from Texas I can't say it was all that. Good service and price though!

 

For the last time!! THERE ARE NO SUBSIDIES SPECIFICALLY FOR CORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE WRONG! The price of corn is a world market price.

Corn is all we have right now. I don't understand why you can't grasp that! If there were grants or low interest loans for equipment to handle switchgrass, and build the infrastructure, and price support for a few years into the future, then it would takeoff. But as far as I know, there isn't.
It's a great thing for the environment and the economy. I did't say it would end the world's problems.

Whatever. Vote someone into office that isn't an oil man, and maybe we can move forward. Corn based ethanol is the only thing we have right now. I through arguing with you. I welcome a better solution.

 

Not CORN, corn based ETHANOL is subsidized by the government at $.51/gallon.

McCain has said he will end the subsidy, funny you must think he'll end something that doesn't exist...

http://www.minnpost.com/ronway/2008/..._world_buzzing

http://www.google.com/search?q=is+co...e7&rlz=1I7SUNA

Spend a few minutes, learn a few things....

You just said much of what I've been saying, except you simply can't seem to grasp the reason why those things haven't been developed........ jeezus.....we need a 'bang head on wall' smiley.... Research, scientists, and the free market have not determined which forms of energy are most viable as alternatives to gasoline, government and special interests have pushed it largely one direction.

You don't throw billions into something that isn't a viable answer just because its "all we have right now", I've heard that before and its a ridiculous statement. If you don't have the answer you concentrate on finding it, you don't just take a non-viable alternative and run with it. I agree 100% the oil men have to go, but I'm confused how you 'welcome a better solution' when you keep saying we already have it in corn based ethanol??

 

Something else for you to chew on...

http://www.dtnethanolcenter.com/inde...0&mid=38&pid=2

The price of ethanol futures is $.23/gal lower than gas, yet the selling price is ~$1.00 per gallon cheaper.....the difference? Taxes and subsidies.....

 

This week I drove down through Chicago to St Louis, 750 miles. I did not see any e85 along the way and filled up with e10.

I filled up with e10 today for $3.15. Woo hew, the price is dropping.

 

Regular gas was $2.99 here yesterday....

 

$2.99?! People that live near me would kill for that price!

 

It's down to $2.65 here this evening. That's for E10.

 

A very interesting article to read here...

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13199


This is a technology that works with many different sources of fuel from wood waste to garbage to sugar, etc...., which means different regions can use whatever is dominantly available locally. The process produces ethanol with less emissions, more energy yield, and far less water used than current methods.

I'm sure there are a half dozen other technologies like this being worked on, stuff like this is where government funding should be headed...

 

bad it gunks up your engine. ive never used it but im in highschool in auto and my teachers car runs on e85 and we took it apart so he could show us and wow was there alot of stuff in there. and if we all use e85 more people starve. when we started usin e85 a few years back more people overseas started starvin casue food production went down casue its all going in our gas so no to e85 lol

 

That's why we go with the algae method, unless people overseas eat oil producing algae of course.