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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 11:35 PM
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Holy hell you're sitting on a bomb dude!

Nah just kidding....
If you have 325 at the crank then you are within reason I would say...sorry I assumed V8 and went off the numbers you posted...I'd try v6150.com or maybe v6power.net
they might be a little better help....I still think it sounds like a fuel issue, having a boost leak is not helping but i wouldn't think that would affect startup that much since you shouldn't be building any boost at idle to speak of.....

325 out of a 4.2 is pretty impressive.....
lol thank you

i know quite a few v6 guys running well over 8psi on up to 11 or so, especially the mustang 3.8l guys, i know the exhaust leak isnt effecting startup. i just really was more concerned with compression issues because i know nothing about lost compression and want to know the signs of it. the ONLY reason why i was afraid i may have a compression issue is because someone told me "hard start"

welll.. the reason why i feel its not compression issue is because I can make it have a hard start. if i had a compression related hard start i woudlnt be able to make it happen whenever i wanted.

i can go out there right now, start it up just fine.. but as long as i dont drive it. i'll have a hard start the second time around.

if i drive it.. no hard start ever.

basically everywhere i posted this question the same response has been tuning issue. NO ONE not ONE person mentioned compression.. that was all outta my head since i know nothing about it.
 

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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 11:50 PM
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I'll try one more time - ALLLL my chips are on the Forward O2's - Let me know if I win..

BTW - That's just for the starting issue.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 11:52 PM
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I'll try one more time - ALLLL my chips are on the Forward O2's - Let me know if I win..
for a startup issue?

i dont have any check engine light or anything.

i'll go ahead and pull them and clean 'em up im sure they need it. afterall my wideband was AWFUL so theres no reason why my o2's on my headers woudlnt be the same.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tj03f150
for a startup issue?
Didn't you say it won't start after shuting it down for awhile ? Or is that fixed already ?


My bets been placed - Cleaning those won't help.
 

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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 12:23 AM
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Didn't you say it won't start after shuting it down for awhile ? Or is that fixed already ?


My bets been placed - Cleaning those won't help.

no, it just wont start if i start it in the driveway and then turn it off without going anywhere. which is why i now feel its a tuning issue. that the ecu is throwing too much fuel at it for startup. and thats why i can smell fuel at that time.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 12:36 AM
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You think that won't effect the O2's or the plugs ? Sure, you have to correct the fuel issue. That's a definite. The plugs may survive but will your O2's ? You have headers , so where are your O2's in relation to your converters? If you have LT's their down stream further, pretty damn close to the cats right ?
 
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 12:50 AM
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You think that won't effect the O2's or the plugs ? Sure, you have to correct the fuel issue. That's a definite. The plugs may survive but will your O2's ? You have headers , so where are your O2's in relation to your converters? If you have LT's their down stream further, pretty damn close to the cats right ?
no cats are no where near the headers now, because its turbocharged.

so its got the o2's on the headers and off the header goes to a Y pipe with a turbo flange. turbo mounts to flange, then from the downpipe it runs to a high flow cat then another o2 and then out to my muffler.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FordTech1

Holy hell you're sitting on a bomb dude!
I edited that ^^^^ - just a little.

Damn dude, you sure that thing is safe to drive ?

I dunno.... - If you have a remote starter, I would be using it @ a safe distance, atleast until the problem was figured out/fixed.

That would suck if you ended yourself - Compromised, from flying f150 fragment.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 05:04 AM
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I edited that ^^^^ - just a little.

Damn dude, you sure that thing is safe to drive ?

I dunno.... - If you have a remote starter, I would be using it @ a safe distance, atleast until the problem was figured out/fixed.

That would suck if you ended yourself - Compromised, from flying f150 fragment.
lol, like i said the problem doesnt happen all the time.. i can pretty much make it happen as well as prevent it.

however the only way to prevent it is if i start it... i better drive it...
 
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 09:34 AM
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Talk to your tuner about the starting issues. He may have it adding too much fuel on warm/hot starts. When you modify a tune everything uses look up tables. So when the temp changes the PCM looks for a correction factor. While you may have the tune dead nuts on for a cold start when the engine warms up the PCM uses a correction factor to adjust for the temp difference. If that correction factor was not modified for the size of injectors that you have it will cause issues.

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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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Talk to your tuner about the starting issues. He may have it adding too much fuel on warm/hot starts. When you modify a tune everything uses look up tables. So when the temp changes the PCM looks for a correction factor. While you may have the tune dead nuts on for a cold start when the engine warms up the PCM uses a correction factor to adjust for the temp difference. If that correction factor was not modified for the size of injectors that you have it will cause issues.

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ah, i did not know that.

thanks for posting up
 
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