New Diesels?
Originally Posted by glc
We are a dying breed, Chuck. I've been driving for over 40 years, I learned on a stick and to this day I prefer a stick. Emissions and fuel economy regulations are going to put us out of business whether we like it or not.

Originally Posted by Fordnatic
I will always prefer manuals for power, performance, durability and fuel mileage. The only problem, I guess, is the emissions issue. An automatic wastes nearly 40hp from one end to the other. Much less on a standard. Also, it seems you are lucky to get an automatic to 150000 miles, but manuals seem to just keep going. I'd much rather spend a few hundred on a clutch that I can change than 1800 on a new automatic!!!
Last edited by ManualF150; Jan 7, 2008 at 02:00 AM.
Well so far I have over 230,000 miles on this automatic - I put a shift kit in it and some good fluid - that's about it..Their not all bad.
Maybe I better knock on wood.
Maybe I better knock on wood.
Last edited by jbrew; Jan 7, 2008 at 02:44 AM.
Originally Posted by jbrew
Well so far I have over 230,000 miles on this automatic - I put a shift kit in it and some good fluid - that's about it..Their not all bad.
Maybe I better knock on wood.
Maybe I better knock on wood.
I'm saying there is no reason with the technology available to be able to make a great long-lasting, fuel efficient, and powerful transmission. But it's up to the engineers on how much time they actually want to devote on it. Not to mention how much money a car company wants to spend on it and how much it would cost to use it in production.
Believe it or not... it makes me fully understand why Ford has used the M5OD for such a long time. It's because it is a decent transmission, and they don't need to spend much time on redesign when throwing it in from vehicle to vehicle.
But if Ford did offer a ZF 5 speed (which I doubt would likely ever happen) or equivelent, it would be nice with a diesel engine.
Then again, who knows... my luck Ford will stick with the M5OD somehow... lol
How long have they been making that one , along time ? Back in the early 80's my dad had a F350 with a straight six- stick - He also had a 69 or 70 3/4 ton w /360 4x4 - stick. He use to take me plowing snow when I was kid - I was a damn "Shear Pin B^tch"-Freakin guy had me replace the shear pins when on would break in the freezin **** cold
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I don't remember a truck ever having a automatic back then..
I guess my 98 has one of the very last E4OD's made - X production date. Hell, it might even be the last.
They replaced E4OD with the 4R100. The 4R100 is almost identical to the E4OD except for the electronics . Anyway, the E4OD has been around along time as well. They use the 4R100 auto in the diesels . The best auto trans made IMO.
I still have my stock zerkless U-joints in her
. Ford sure did right by me..built54 is running the same tranny I am. It's handling the power he's putting to it without a problem as far as I know.
The Sterling 9.75 is a damn strong rear gear as well. This drive train in this truck has been unbelievable. I wouldn't say I babied it either.
. I don't remember a truck ever having a automatic back then..
I guess my 98 has one of the very last E4OD's made - X production date. Hell, it might even be the last.
They replaced E4OD with the 4R100. The 4R100 is almost identical to the E4OD except for the electronics . Anyway, the E4OD has been around along time as well. They use the 4R100 auto in the diesels . The best auto trans made IMO.
I still have my stock zerkless U-joints in her
. Ford sure did right by me..built54 is running the same tranny I am. It's handling the power he's putting to it without a problem as far as I know.The Sterling 9.75 is a damn strong rear gear as well. This drive train in this truck has been unbelievable. I wouldn't say I babied it either.
Last edited by jbrew; Jan 7, 2008 at 09:40 AM.
Originally Posted by glc
The 4R100 is not *THAT* strong - I have a friend with a 2000 F-550 dump truck with a 7.3 PSD and a 4R100, he's been through 8 trannys.
Originally Posted by glc
We are a dying breed, Chuck. I've been driving for over 40 years, I learned on a stick and to this day I prefer a stick. Emissions and fuel economy regulations are going to put us out of business whether we like it or not.
Originally Posted by glc
The 4R100 is not *THAT* strong - I have a friend with a 2000 F-550 dump truck with a 7.3 PSD and a 4R100, he's been through 8 trannys.
I had the opportunity to drive a PSD with the ZF 6 speed. Smoothest shifting truck tranny I ever drove. I am on the lookout for a ZF and when all the stars are lined up that is what is going in my truck.
Unfortunately for the stars to line up I will need a PSD t-Case, shorter rear driveshaft with PSD slipyoke and longer front driveshaft.
JMC
Unfortunately for the stars to line up I will need a PSD t-Case, shorter rear driveshaft with PSD slipyoke and longer front driveshaft.JMC
I'm not dissing the 4R100 or Ford - just saying that it may be a great tranny but it is NOT completely bulletproof - everything has its limitations. I've heard of people blowing Allisons out of GM's.
With a fully loaded dump and trailer, he's pulling about 26k. Speaks well for the whole truck if the tranny is the only thing that's popping.
With a fully loaded dump and trailer, he's pulling about 26k. Speaks well for the whole truck if the tranny is the only thing that's popping.
I guess there are some 98's w/4R100 instead of the E4OD's if you ordered your truck w/heavy duty package(dual core+ X cooler) as I did - but later in the fall towards winter- you may have the different electronics.
Stamping is on the inside of the trans on mine. Soon as you pull the pan once you'll see - E4OD or 4R100. It's also written in some kind of paint on the components that doesn't wear off.
Stamping is on the inside of the trans on mine. Soon as you pull the pan once you'll see - E4OD or 4R100. It's also written in some kind of paint on the components that doesn't wear off.
Last edited by jbrew; Jan 8, 2008 at 09:04 AM.






