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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 11:11 PM
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its going to be the 4.5L V6 that is in the LCF cab overs that ford has.. i work with them at work all the time.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 12:53 AM
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Faster, if you are talking about a diesel, nope. It's going to be the UK market Range Rover 3.6 V8 punched out to 4.4.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 01:55 AM
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We are a dying breed, Chuck. I've been driving for over 40 years, I learned on a stick and to this day I prefer a stick. Emissions and fuel economy regulations are going to put us out of business whether we like it or not.
Sheesh.. ain't that the truth.

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I will always prefer manuals for power, performance, durability and fuel mileage. The only problem, I guess, is the emissions issue. An automatic wastes nearly 40hp from one end to the other. Much less on a standard. Also, it seems you are lucky to get an automatic to 150000 miles, but manuals seem to just keep going. I'd much rather spend a few hundred on a clutch that I can change than 1800 on a new automatic!!!
True on both. Depending on the auto transmission, if built correctly, it shouldn't take much more power than a manual. But Ford doesn't have the resources to be able to build Mercedes or BMW class transmissions and engines. However, I can ditto on the 150000 miles... I just can't trust an automatic lasting much longer than that, unless it is built really well. Heck, I know the 4.2l V6 can kill both the 4r70E and the 4r75E transmissions... I can only imagine what a 5.4l is doing to it.
 

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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 02:21 AM
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Well so far I have over 230,000 miles on this automatic - I put a shift kit in it and some good fluid - that's about it..Their not all bad.

Maybe I better knock on wood.
 

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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 03:44 AM
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Well so far I have over 230,000 miles on this automatic - I put a shift kit in it and some good fluid - that's about it..Their not all bad.

Maybe I better knock on wood.
Well... maybe it's because I listen to people's rants about transmissions on the forum... who knows.

I'm saying there is no reason with the technology available to be able to make a great long-lasting, fuel efficient, and powerful transmission. But it's up to the engineers on how much time they actually want to devote on it. Not to mention how much money a car company wants to spend on it and how much it would cost to use it in production.

Believe it or not... it makes me fully understand why Ford has used the M5OD for such a long time. It's because it is a decent transmission, and they don't need to spend much time on redesign when throwing it in from vehicle to vehicle.

But if Ford did offer a ZF 5 speed (which I doubt would likely ever happen) or equivelent, it would be nice with a diesel engine.

Then again, who knows... my luck Ford will stick with the M5OD somehow... lol
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 04:50 AM
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How long have they been making that one , along time ? Back in the early 80's my dad had a F350 with a straight six- stick - He also had a 69 or 70 3/4 ton w /360 4x4 - stick. He use to take me plowing snow when I was kid - I was a damn "Shear Pin B^tch"-Freakin guy had me replace the shear pins when on would break in the freezin **** cold .

I don't remember a truck ever having a automatic back then..

I guess my 98 has one of the very last E4OD's made - X production date. Hell, it might even be the last.

They replaced E4OD with the 4R100. The 4R100 is almost identical to the E4OD except for the electronics . Anyway, the E4OD has been around along time as well. They use the 4R100 auto in the diesels . The best auto trans made IMO.

I still have my stock zerkless U-joints in her . Ford sure did right by me..built54 is running the same tranny I am. It's handling the power he's putting to it without a problem as far as I know.

The Sterling 9.75 is a damn strong rear gear as well. This drive train in this truck has been unbelievable. I wouldn't say I babied it either.
 

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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 01:55 PM
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The 4R100 is not *THAT* strong - I have a friend with a 2000 F-550 dump truck with a 7.3 PSD and a 4R100, he's been through 8 trannys.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 02:11 PM
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The 4R100 is not *THAT* strong - I have a friend with a 2000 F-550 dump truck with a 7.3 PSD and a 4R100, he's been through 8 trannys.
Towing HOW much weight again? The 4r100 is good, but not stupid good.
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We are a dying breed, Chuck. I've been driving for over 40 years, I learned on a stick and to this day I prefer a stick. Emissions and fuel economy regulations are going to put us out of business whether we like it or not.
People always tell me I'm crazy when I tell them I plan on converting my PSD to a 6 speed ZF6. Possibly, but its the way I want it to be.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 02:16 PM
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The 4R100 is not *THAT* strong - I have a friend with a 2000 F-550 dump truck with a 7.3 PSD and a 4R100, he's been through 8 trannys.
Who knows what he does with that thing, They put this trans in a 550 Dump ??? - 233,000 miles on this one and it's placed 4000-5000lb trailers for the first three years. Hell this is just a F150 lol . Well whatever, okay , speaking for myself then.. That sure is hell don't change my mind on it - In a F550 - is even a fair comparison. Beat it up all you want ..It's Fords fault right?
 
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 02:23 PM
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I had the opportunity to drive a PSD with the ZF 6 speed. Smoothest shifting truck tranny I ever drove. I am on the lookout for a ZF and when all the stars are lined up that is what is going in my truck. Unfortunately for the stars to line up I will need a PSD t-Case, shorter rear driveshaft with PSD slipyoke and longer front driveshaft.

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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 03:45 PM
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I'm not dissing the 4R100 or Ford - just saying that it may be a great tranny but it is NOT completely bulletproof - everything has its limitations. I've heard of people blowing Allisons out of GM's.

With a fully loaded dump and trailer, he's pulling about 26k. Speaks well for the whole truck if the tranny is the only thing that's popping.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 08:57 AM
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I guess there are some 98's w/4R100 instead of the E4OD's if you ordered your truck w/heavy duty package(dual core+ X cooler) as I did - but later in the fall towards winter- you may have the different electronics.

Stamping is on the inside of the trans on mine. Soon as you pull the pan once you'll see - E4OD or 4R100. It's also written in some kind of paint on the components that doesn't wear off.

 

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