Has anyone researched this company or have personal experience with the system? So far it seems legit. Several individuals have patents on the accelerated electrolysis process. Here is the gist:
The system generates enough HHO gas on demand to supplement some of the vehcicles fuel consumption. This is a hybrid system that works in conjunction with the exisiting fuel delivery system of the vehicle. Non-ECM vehicles require the timing to be retarded several degrees thus leaning out the fuel mixture. ECM vehicles regulate this process on their own. The HHO gas is fed to the throttle body through a tap in the air induction system .The 100% of vehicles tested do not have a check engine light. THis copmapny has live reps and tons of documentation including video documentation of the development, implementation and continued use of the system. Users see and increase in fuel mileage from 20 to 65%. The

 

Their website is http://www.fuelfromh2o.com.

I fired off an email to them about my application, will wait for their response. Cant hurt to inquire. If wars keep popping up, pipelines interrupted, oil barges sinking, we are all gonna have to start taking measures.

 

The response I got back from them was their suggestion to use their Series 9 Super-Gen found at http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/specs.html

They also believed it would yield between 35 and 45 percent increase in mpg, also costs about $400.

I would do way more research on this subject and look for real people to contact and talk to before laying that kind of money down and trying something not so proven for fullsize trucks. Not yellin' snakeoil, just one step at time.

 

FireRed, keep us up to speed on what you decide to do. The idea seems right, but as you said "check, check, check into it" before you buy.

 

why not by a tornado while your at it. There is no way to produce enough hydrogen fast enough for an engine to be more efficiant. It is bogus. Do some research and it has been discounted years ago.

 

Some big name in racing many years ago said the same thing about supercharged small block V8s out running N/A big block V8s until some guy actually did it.


The Tornado you mentioned has proven itself many times over....to NOT work!! Why? Because people actually bought, installed, and tried the thing. Same with this H2 fad and any thing else, lab data means nothing, but when someone tries it out, whomever that may be, that will be real data, whether valid or bogus. And yes! There are bogus H2 products out there just like anything else, but there are also bound to be some valid ones, and if so, just gotta find them and research them. As for enough H2 to be efficient, you have to know the amount for each application, without that, you are shooting in the dark.

One gent on this site tried his hand at a fuel heater, and it worked for him at first until his pcm compensated and brought his mpg back down. It might be amazing to find out that many "bogus" products might have actually worked if they were fully and properly designed for each application. However, in this fast money world we live in, someone makes something and throws it out on the market too fast and the public opinion is that it is bogus and they are right. You just never know. You just have to keep an open mind and do some homework, and do it well prior to pulling out the wallet!!

 

If any of these gadgets increased gas mileage significantly and were SAFE, you bet the manufacturers would be using them - think about it, Ford has speced 5W20 oil to raise their CAFE to avoid penalties............

Hydrogen gas is one of the most explosive things found in nature..........if there was a safe way to use it in internal combustion engines, the manufacturers would be jumping all over fuel cells.

Hydrogen may be a fuel of the future, but it's not ready yet.

 

Underdrive pulleys and electric fans increase mpg, but Ford DOESNT use them across the board. Hi flow cats, exhausts, intakes, and throttle bodies all improve performance but the car makers install that which meets a standard and nothing more. You said it right there, Ford did something to avoid penalties, and that is the only thing that gets them moving by hitting them in their wallets!

Actually, car makers have been looking at fuel cell technology for a long time now. Now ask yourself this question: If so many people customize their vehicles with aftermarket items and keeping the aftermarket industry strong, how come car makers aren't catching on to that and just install quality "aftermarket" items as standard equipment? Car makers jump on better ways of doing things only when they are forced to either via poor sales or government intervention. Otherwise they dont listen to the public and are unmotivated to do anything different.

No, solar battery cells are the fuel of the future, because as global temps and population sewage rise, quality water will disappear over time.

As someone recently said to me, don't dis something if you have no experience with it. I will research this until I find nothing more to help me out. If I feel it wont work then I wont buy. It is as simple as that. I want proof just like anybody else.

 

As someone recently said to me, don't dis something if you have no experience with it. I will research this until I find nothing more to help me out. If I feel it wont work then I wont buy. It is as simple as that. I want proof just like anybody else.
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and when you research it, you will find that the energy required to make enough hydrogen for an engine to use and make more power/better milage is to great to be worth it. You think this hasn't been checked out by profesionals?

 

Of course I know professionals have checked it out as they are the ones that wrote all the articles. I also know that our engines by nature are very inefficient in the energy they lose during operation. I also know that Hydrogen is about 3x more powerful during its combustion than petrol. I also know that unless you have a cast iron block, fuhgettaboutit! I also know that ideally you want to draw about 8 amps or so for the electrolysis, and with that if you dont have a big enough amp source, you better get one if you install one of these things. I also know that many, if not all, vehicle PCMs will cause you to run rich due to the excess heat caused by running H2, which is opposite of what the makers of these things want. I also know that if you manage to get H2 into the combustion chamber you will notice the power increase but again, the extra heat from the fact that our engine designs are inefficient will cause the PCM to run a rich mixture and use the extra fuel as a coolant. I also know that you can build one of these yourself with a larger area of negative-side plates compared to the postive-side, and a I also know that this setup wears out in under 6 months causing high parts replacement rates. I also know that your PCM would have to retard the timing when H2 is introduced. If the PCM wont, you would have to do it yourself or risk severe engine damage. I also know that one of these used sparingly on your engine will definitely steam clean out your engine from the combustion chamber all the way thru to your exhaust tips. I also know that use in diesel applications would be more severe yet due to the higher compression rates versus gas engines.

 

Im running the hypertech 93 octane tuning and 7 ounces of acetone per tank of gas. I average 17 MPG combined with a best of 19.2 on the hwy over 414 miles. The tornado does not work on my ford. In my opinion it is too far away from the throttle body. It should be after the bend in the helmoltz resontaor.
That being said, I am willing to invest the $400 in the mag gen. I started another post. I also talked to the texas distributor in detail. He was very honest. He has been running the system for a few months now. He drives all day everyday and leaves the truck running due to the nature of his job. HIs 4.0 liter ranger has gone from an avg 18mpg to 22mpg. He admitted he does not have a scan gauge yet, but being self employed he keeps strict records. This is HIS experience. The main reason these are not popular is the maintenance. The system requires regular cleaning. Electrolysis is nothing new. IF the system works great! I will share my experiences in detail with all, positive or negative. It is really up to the consumer to shift a paradigm, not the manufacturer. Manufactureres are only interested in profit and they should be. It is the nature of ree enterprise. However it is our DUTY to be good stewards of the planet. I am not a religous man, but Job 38: 22-23 (I believe) says
22 Have you entered the treasuries of the snow,

Or have you seen the treasures of the hail,

23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble,

Against the day of battle and war?

The author from several thousand years ago is referring to hydrogen.

 

Prior to buying this or any other, make sure you are getting a multiple cell configuration. You will be putting the same 12v source across but it is the current that you are after. 3v and 10A is just as effective as 12v and 10A, however 12v and 10A per cell would seriously rob your system, but in series you would get more H2 output for the energy you are putting in. As to how that will balance is unclear.

I am still interested in such, and I have made my self the guinea pig in the past on things, sometimes came out like a hero and other times a zero. The last response I got from Magdrive was that the super gen and that bigger Magnum HHO had an output of like 2 to 6 liters of H2 per min range for those two products, or 240 to 720 liters per hour and all that depends on your choice of electrolyte which would also dictate the current draw. Good luck.

 

hopefully your totally honest in your review. If you are, you will tell us that it made NO difference in fuel economy, and you where had by a snake oil salesman. Good to see you have dreams, but the pie in the sky promises are just that... apple pie in the face. good luck dude.

 

So if he does get an increase in mpg, he has to lie to you and say that he didnt in order for you to believe him? Whatever works.

Even if he got a huge increase in mpg and it stayed that way tank after tank, I wont just rush out and buy one as I would still research the subject. H2 in the combustion chamber is no laughing matter whether it works as advertised for mpg gains or not.

H2 introduction is not like the Tornado, if the device puts out enough H2 for the engine displacement it is feeding, something will be different. Whether good or bad, he will notice something.

 

For a cheaper test just go to your local gas/welding supplier and get a bottle of Hydrogen. Using the appropriate regulators bleed some into your intake at the levels the Magdrive can produce and see if it works. If it doesn't you are only out the fill price and any cylinder demurrage (rental) fees.