Excellent idea, just need a way to cut the H2 flow off when the engine is off. But sounds like a quicker way to prove the theory one way or another.

 

No need to be fancy, for the duration of the test just close the valve on the bottle or output of regulator every time you park it. This is just a cheap proof of concept not an engineered solution.

 

This is a good idea but I am leary of having a tank of hydrogen no matter what size. It would be a rig of sorts. I would imagine a small tank secured in the bed of the truck with a regultor to the throttle body. I guess i would need some sort of gauge to monitor the flow in LPH or some such manner. Additionally the flow control unit would be in the cab so I can turn it on and off manually. God for bid I leave it on. That could make a big boom!

As for the nay sayers......we have managed to build vehicles that get spectacular mileage on fossil fuel, so why can we not do the same with a fuel that has considerably more thermal energy?

I will have a scan gauge and I will be sutiful in my tests. I will be sure to include accurate photos of th scan guage and system. Even if it doesn't work, I will be able to contribute knowledge to this forum and the educated people who utilize it. That is one of the pros of and open source community.
I look forward to your discourse.

How many times did Edison try before he successfully invented the light bulb?

God forbid he gave up to the pie in the sky.........

 

Depends, you might be able to get a long, but small diameter small capacity tank and slip it in an open area under the hood.

There will always be people who doubt. Some legitimately, but some will always no matter what proof you present.

That Scanguage II is cool! Set it up with the right variable display and you can make major mpg changes just be being aware of how much gas(or diesel) you are burning.

A few I am sure, and at least one test was with the filament made of a human hair.

If we all wait for the car makers to give us what we want, then we will never get it.

 

Just watched an interesting video at http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...96601282258815

It seems a good electrolysis setup actually would use high voltage, high frequency, and low current to generate H2, not by boiling electrolysis, but by fracturing electrolysis. The theory is you generate much more energy in H2 than what you would consume in wattage supplied. Interesting. I bet this is an advanced form of some HHO kits' drive circuit. Probably takes the straight DC signal and alternates it. just a thought

 

I don't think you can buy hydrogen. I could be wrong.. but what would be the application that they would sell it to you? I would't mess with it. To dangerous. I am not saying hydrogen doesn't make power. I am saying that hydrogen is a secondary fuel. meaning that it takes great amounts of energy to make hydrogen in any quantity. There is no current technology to make enough hydrogen for our engines to add to the fuel stream at any reasonable price. If there was, then the manufacturers would have it there now. Think about it... they have a LOT of money for R&D. Much more than some rinky dink company. Auto manufacturers would be heros if they came up with that thechnology. And don't give me the crap about the oil companies paying off the auto manufacturers to keep the technology from hitting the streets... people said that about using water as fuel. Total crap. But hey... it is your money. Go for it.

 

Yes, you would be wrong. There are many applications for hydrogen. It requires a little more care than bottled Oxygen. It is not as dangerous as some people think it is. It is used as a carrier gas in electronics/semiconductor production. It is used in labs for Mass Spectrometry and Gas Chromatography. It is used in food processing, chemical production, heat treating and annealing metals, welding and brazing.
It can be purchased at most welding or lab gas suppliers.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe electrolysis to be the most commonly used method of collecting hydrogen. If you can increase the efficiency of the conductor, increase the voltage (pressure) with out increasing the amperage, then you can accelerate the process.
We are just looking for fuel savings. In an application where there is an alternator to produce the current, this is a great idea. Many vehicles with advanced electronics, stereo systems, amplifiers, etc.. will pull 15 amps easy! This system is designed to operate at 14-15 amps when warm.
If you do the math, it works on paper just fine.
LPH of HHO required to lean fuel air mixture by 25%
Number of AMPS required in specified electrolyte to create the necessary LPH of HHO
You will find that the generator creates plenty of HHO and that the amperage required to maintain the process does not drain the vehicles electrical system in any way.
So why wouldn't it work? NOS works and its just nitrogen and oxygen. You have a cooling agent that cools the air charge (making it denser) entering the compustion chamber, the engine contributes MORE fuel to the mix and bam insta power.
We are talking about HYDROGEN. Something that when compressed has a tremendous more amount of potential thermal energy than gasoline.
So now the system LEANS the amount of fuel going into the mixture while increasing the thermal efficiency and out put of the mixture in the combustion chamber.
And all it requires is that you introduce enough hydrogen into the system.

Time will tell my friend

 

Any updates!!! I'm dying to find out. I am ready to start this on my truck

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...96601282258815

Notice the reading on the meter. This unit uses a pulsed width modulation circuit to actually fracture the molecule. This is tap water with no electrolyte.
Notice the amount of gas being produced!

Chris 49, sorry not to follow up. Watch this video closely. This was the reason I opted out of the mag drive system. It turns out there are other pieces of the equation this company does not tell you are needed up front. The mag drive works as advertised, however to truly reap its benefits you need a MAP sensor enhancer and some other stuff.

Upon further research I have decided to get my house off the grid, at least during peak hours and a combination of this device, a generator, storage, etc... is in the works. I will start this project in May.

 

Hey thanks for the input. I actually talked to mike troyer today and well he said just about the same thing. The problem is there was no way to meter the amount of HHO going into combustion and what was happening was the pcm compensated for it by dumping in more fuel. The HHO generator is great for non pcm vehicles that are carburated and other things that don't require the gas to be metered.On newer vehicles with a pcm you would waste fuel, However this problem is in the works and will hopefully be conquered soon.
I also talked to a distributer of the Magdrive today, he installed it in his range rover and ended taking it out He said he definitely noticed an increase in power but no difference in MPG slightly down a bit. That inturn proved the conversation That I had with Mike. I talked with that distributer after i talked to mike to let him know what mike had said and I was actually teaching the distributer. Looks like the magdrive still has tweeking to do.

Let me know how you make out and keep me updated. I just purchased a cabin in upstate new york last summer and I need power. this seems like a great idea for it.

 

A couple months ago when i was driving down the highway, i was looking at a 18-wheeler truck. It had a box on the side that said HYDrive or something like that, and hydrogen hybrid in small letters.

I thought that was pretty neat... i guess it works a little at least.


On another note, that system has way to many different things.... ive seen some with just one box and a tube going to the intake.

 

yeah i saw that too

 

I've Been diong a lot of research the last couple of days.
There is a lot of information scattered all over the net about this technology.
A guy named Stan Meyer made a car that runs purely off water. Read about it here. watch these vids.
http://www.waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html
Basically, he was big oil offered him a bil$ to shelf his idea. He said no, then got murdered in 1998.

Besides MagDrive, there are a couple of manuals on how to build your own. I have too extensive manuals to make a hybrid ("water4gas" is one of them) and one that shows all the scamatics(sp?) and instructions on making a 100% water (or HHO/Brown's gas/Hydrogen) driven car. (if you want them, just use a torrent online)

you can look up homemade HHO gens on youtube. you can start here:http://youtube.com/watch?v=o5q6Lv0YKV8&feature=related
This dude gets 60mpg in an old escort wagon

Here is someone who can run their ford off of the MagDrive alone:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yMWd6T_hbhQ

This guy in Singapore has a car that runs off water alone HIS GOVERNMENT REFUSES TO USE IT BECAUSE OF AGREEMENTS WITH BIG OIL
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw

Anyone who wants to pop off and say that manufactures would use this technology if it existed, is doing just that: popping off.

even more amazing than hydrogen generators in cars is the perpetual motor. This electric motor creates more energy then it uses. This is a permanent motor. Look it up, and here is a place to get started.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M&feature=related

This guy used this technology in a car: http://youtube.com/watch?v=jt5z8L4LBJE
This guy could drive until he starves or the car falls apart, and never stop, never put anything in.


thats just some of the stuff i have been comming across.

BTW, PICC is prob bull**** (dont know what it is? look up Pre-Ignition Catalytic Converter)

 

Ah, geez...

Another Googler stumbles in and plasters junk pseudo-science and urban legend hoaxes to an old, dead thread.

Go back and Google something else, like the "Laws of Thermodynamics" or "Stan Meyer scam" or "Stan Meyer fraud". Also, look up the definition for the word "gullible", perhaps at www.dictionary.com

There's a reason they're called "Laws", not "ideas", "suggestions", or even a "hypothesis"

Sigh... I guess this is what happens when the results of public schooling go home and watch MTV instead of learning science or math.

Here's a challenge: Find one (only one - that's all I ask) reputable report of someone who has run any of these gimmicks through the definitive FTP75 EPA test procedure by a recognized laboratory in a double-blind test. Bet you can't find even one. Why? Because woo-woo'ers won't permit their scam to be subjected to such a rigorous technical evaluation that would expose it as a scam.

Why? Because these devices are usually sold by MLM organizations that provide nothing but testimonials by true believers and other such woo-woo and nonsense. Anyone who sticks his head up to ask for scientific documentation (me, today) will get called a "naysayer" (that's one of the most common terms) and will get attacked. Fine. <Plonk>

I'm from the "Show-Me" state. In other words, PROVE it to a scientific (not a faith-based) level. Should be easy since for you to do, after all, you've been researching it for all of "a couple of days" now. You'll probably be an expert by tomorrow, Tuesday at the latest.

I worry about someone who does their "research" on YouTube or Wikipedia.

Git!