I abso-frickin'-loutely hate Bosch plugs
not crapy product!
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Originally Posted by chavez243ca
IIRC - when I changed my plugs (using Autolites) the boxes indicated Autolites were mfr'd by Honeywell - which also makes Fram, which in turn, gets bashed about in here quite a bit.
...just sayin'
as for my Autolites- no troubles whatsoever so far...
...just sayin'
as for my Autolites- no troubles whatsoever so far...
bing bing bing we have a winner !
you are 100 percent correct
HONEYWELL= ALLIED ELECTRONICS!!
WHICH BOUGHT AUTOLITE IN 1983
its nice to see some people who know what they are talking about BEFORE they speak!
i like ya
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Originally Posted by ajscarfo
bing bing bing we have a winner !
you are 100 percent correct
HONEYWELL= ALLIED ELECTRONICS!!
WHICH BOUGHT AUTOLITE IN 1983
its nice to see some people who know what they are talking about BEFORE they speak!
i like ya
you are 100 percent correct
HONEYWELL= ALLIED ELECTRONICS!!
WHICH BOUGHT AUTOLITE IN 1983
its nice to see some people who know what they are talking about BEFORE they speak!
i like ya
Last edited by jbrew; Oct 3, 2006 at 06:18 PM.
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Lots of companies make both OE products and regular off-the-shelf parts, that's nothing new. Now whether one person tried "autolite" branded plugs, got a problem, then the supposedly identical "motorcraft" branded ones worked fine, or is this a constant trend with repeating results? One case could be a fluke or defective plugs. But if it happens regularly, then they're obviously not identical even if they are made by the same company.
Here's a rough comparison. They're not for the same application, but the plugs obviously look much different:
A Motorcraft plug:
An Autolite plug(kinda crappy)
While I know as much as anyone good plugs can make all the difference in how your motor runs, it's tough to find "crappy" plugs anymore. If the engine runs poorly with a plug, it's not the right plug for your motor(even if it fits, there's a whole host of other variables). The temperature rating could be wrong. Too much/not enough resistance. The ECU can only adjust for these so much, and in older trucks not at all. Just stick with OEM. Pay a little more(if OE costs more , I dunno) and do it right the first time. While it is hard to pass on the "super performance" Platimum4's, and ask for "regular OEM motorcraft", chances are you'll end up with better performance with the RIGHT plug. And since it takes a couple hours to change the plugs, you don't want to have to keep swapping them out constantly.
Here's a rough comparison. They're not for the same application, but the plugs obviously look much different:
A Motorcraft plug:
An Autolite plug(kinda crappy)
While I know as much as anyone good plugs can make all the difference in how your motor runs, it's tough to find "crappy" plugs anymore. If the engine runs poorly with a plug, it's not the right plug for your motor(even if it fits, there's a whole host of other variables). The temperature rating could be wrong. Too much/not enough resistance. The ECU can only adjust for these so much, and in older trucks not at all. Just stick with OEM. Pay a little more(if OE costs more , I dunno) and do it right the first time. While it is hard to pass on the "super performance" Platimum4's, and ask for "regular OEM motorcraft", chances are you'll end up with better performance with the RIGHT plug. And since it takes a couple hours to change the plugs, you don't want to have to keep swapping them out constantly.
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Originally Posted by jbrew
Yup , 2 bad u DON'T , IDIOT!!
Autolite = Autolite
Autolite manufacture's Motocraft , that has been admitted dumb***
I just compared them , they are made different ***hole!!!
An autolite plug is not the same - u need a picture !!! I'm not wasting the time.
StpFck!
Autolite = Autolite
Autolite manufacture's Motocraft , that has been admitted dumb***
I just compared them , they are made different ***hole!!!
An autolite plug is not the same - u need a picture !!! I'm not wasting the time.
StpFck!
well your intellengence shines thru with all the swearing , wow what a use of adjectives , do you need more cafine?
they are made to a ( ford SPEC) amazingly that engineering job was done on the new 3 pvavle heads by AUOTLITE engineers go ahead ask me how i know! and by the way your lack of anything other than telling people how FING STUPID THEY ARE you probally dident gap your plugs , get a life and by the way when you GROW UP come see me !
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Originally Posted by RaWarrior
Lots of companies make both OE products and regular off-the-shelf parts, that's nothing new. Now whether one person tried "autolite" branded plugs, got a problem, then the supposedly identical "motorcraft" branded ones worked fine, or is this a constant trend with repeating results? One case could be a fluke or defective plugs. But if it happens regularly, then they're obviously not identical even if they are made by the same company.
Here's a rough comparison. They're not for the same application, but the plugs obviously look much different:
A Motorcraft plug:
An Autolite plug(kinda crappy)
While I know as much as anyone good plugs can make all the difference in how your motor runs, it's tough to find "crappy" plugs anymore. If the engine runs poorly with a plug, it's not the right plug for your motor(even if it fits, there's a whole host of other variables). The temperature rating could be wrong. Too much/not enough resistance. The ECU can only adjust for these so much, and in older trucks not at all. Just stick with OEM. Pay a little more(if OE costs more , I dunno) and do it right the first time. While it is hard to pass on the "super performance" Platimum4's, and ask for "regular OEM motorcraft", chances are you'll end up with better performance with the RIGHT plug. And since it takes a couple hours to change the plugs, you don't want to have to keep swapping them out constantly.
Here's a rough comparison. They're not for the same application, but the plugs obviously look much different:
A Motorcraft plug:
An Autolite plug(kinda crappy)
While I know as much as anyone good plugs can make all the difference in how your motor runs, it's tough to find "crappy" plugs anymore. If the engine runs poorly with a plug, it's not the right plug for your motor(even if it fits, there's a whole host of other variables). The temperature rating could be wrong. Too much/not enough resistance. The ECU can only adjust for these so much, and in older trucks not at all. Just stick with OEM. Pay a little more(if OE costs more , I dunno) and do it right the first time. While it is hard to pass on the "super performance" Platimum4's, and ask for "regular OEM motorcraft", chances are you'll end up with better performance with the RIGHT plug. And since it takes a couple hours to change the plugs, you don't want to have to keep swapping them out constantly.
well kinda right but it would be a better comparison if you use motorcraft platnums and autolite platnums of coarse theres a diffrence between TYPES of plugs!
the autolite you show is a 45 like my mustang uses the platnium you show is similar to a autolite pl24 platnium to platnium and notice the autolite platnium is in the same location as the motorcraft platnium!
heres a 45 i just pulled the pl 24 out of my 86 bronco i dident have any lieing around! as you can see the planium is ( except color ) identical to the motorcraft! hope this helps
oh by the way like i noted the autolite is a pl 24 it is diffrent from the one you show which i belive is a AP764 which is even closer in color to the motorcraft!
Last edited by ajscarfo; Oct 2, 2006 at 06:32 PM.
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Originally Posted by jbrew
Yup , 2 bad u DON'T , IDIOT!!
Autolite = Autolite
Autolite manufacture's Motocraft , that has been admitted dumb***
I just compared them , they are made different ***hole!!!
An autolite plug is not the same - u need a picture !!! I'm not wasting the time.
StpFck!
Autolite = Autolite
Autolite manufacture's Motocraft , that has been admitted dumb***
I just compared them , they are made different ***hole!!!
An autolite plug is not the same - u need a picture !!! I'm not wasting the time.
StpFck!
oh and by the way if FORDS HIGH QUALITY OF ENGINEERING IS SO MUCH GREATER
then i wonder
why does the ford engines have SPARK PLUG PROBLEMS ( noted by them BLOWING out of the head) um i think they had a better idea!
rock on
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Glad your out there RaWarrior and apologize for my Over Intense Frankness , but won't edit - The smarta** actually believes what he is saying and doesn't entertain the thought that he could be wrong, which he is. There not equal, that is my point.
After spending the money and time on my Autolite experience way back then - My first plug change in this motor , took my time , all weekend lol. I remember finishing up on a Sunday night kinda proud because I was thorough - gapping, anti-seize, dielectric grease,blah,blahh....Driving to work Monday morning and the truck ran crappy , thought about it all day , going over every step in my head - riding home that day it ran worse.
I didn't know what the problem was at the time , I got home that night, tore it apart again and could find anything I did wrong. At the time I just had my old plugs(old Motorcrafts) and it was to late to go out and get new ones. I needed the truck the next day for work, so I decided to re- install the old plugs. The truck then ran fine again.
Autolites turned my preventive maintenance project into personal hell.
I get a little bent when someone tells me I'm wrong when going thru it myself and having the evidence in front of me.
Not afraid to learn, that's why I'm here. I admit when I'm wrong-it's part of the learning process and I have been, hey the set of Autolites I purchased could have been a flukes - bad ones, can't rule that out and I've stated that in the thread before.
I'll continue to learn here and share what I have, that's what it's all about.
After spending the money and time on my Autolite experience way back then - My first plug change in this motor , took my time , all weekend lol. I remember finishing up on a Sunday night kinda proud because I was thorough - gapping, anti-seize, dielectric grease,blah,blahh....Driving to work Monday morning and the truck ran crappy , thought about it all day , going over every step in my head - riding home that day it ran worse.
I didn't know what the problem was at the time , I got home that night, tore it apart again and could find anything I did wrong. At the time I just had my old plugs(old Motorcrafts) and it was to late to go out and get new ones. I needed the truck the next day for work, so I decided to re- install the old plugs. The truck then ran fine again.
Autolites turned my preventive maintenance project into personal hell.
I get a little bent when someone tells me I'm wrong when going thru it myself and having the evidence in front of me.
Not afraid to learn, that's why I'm here. I admit when I'm wrong-it's part of the learning process and I have been, hey the set of Autolites I purchased could have been a flukes - bad ones, can't rule that out and I've stated that in the thread before.
I'll continue to learn here and share what I have, that's what it's all about.
Last edited by jbrew; Oct 2, 2006 at 06:43 PM.
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Okay , As much as I HATE to admitt.
Maannn , this is HARD - This guy may be right, just went out to the barn and came back with the AUTOLITE'''''''S and MOTORCRAFT''''''S I used.
I must have got a " Fluke " set , because there almost identical.
Click on the link -
https://www.f150online.com/galleries...388&anum=10943
Maannn , this is HARD - This guy may be right, just went out to the barn and came back with the AUTOLITE'''''''S and MOTORCRAFT''''''S I used.
I must have got a " Fluke " set , because there almost identical.
Click on the link -
https://www.f150online.com/galleries...388&anum=10943
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Originally Posted by jbrew
Okay , As much as I HATE to admitt.
Maannn , this is HARD - This guy may be right, just went out to the barn and came back with the AUTOLITE'''''''S and MOTORCRAFT''''''S I used.
I must have got a " Fluke " set , because there almost identical.
Click on the link -
https://www.f150online.com/galleries...388&anum=10943
Maannn , this is HARD - This guy may be right, just went out to the barn and came back with the AUTOLITE'''''''S and MOTORCRAFT''''''S I used.
I must have got a " Fluke " set , because there almost identical.
Click on the link -
https://www.f150online.com/galleries...388&anum=10943
ok so you could have gotten a bad set ! and glad you looked for yourself !
ill take the smart a@@ comments but you can take back the ones that start with f
no hard feelings and maybe the plugs you where using WHERE the problem the OE style for the 1998 5.4 are the xp 103
and i dont know for sure but there maybe a diffrence between the APP 103 you have and the OE style XP 103 , i wouldent know what it is but it is a chance!
Autolite® Products
Engine Type V10-6.8L F/inj. (S) engine type?
Available Brand Name Part Number PlugGap Notes
Platinum Pro APP103 .054 OE Style
XP Xtreme Performance XP103 .054
Platinum AP103 .054
Copper Core 103 .054
Engine Type V6-4.2L F/inj. (2) engine type?
Available Brand Name Part Number PlugGap Notes
Platinum Pro APP5144 .054
XP Xtreme Performance XP5144 .054 OE Style
Platinum AP5144 .054
Copper Core 5144 .054
Pro-Fit™ 86848
Professional Series 96848
Engine Type V8-4.6L F/inj. (6) engine type?
Available Brand Name Part Number PlugGap Notes
Platinum Pro APP104 .054
XP Xtreme Performance XP104 .054 OE Style
Platinum AP104 .054
Copper Core 104 .054
Pro-Fit™ 86858
Professional Series 96858
Engine Type V8-4.6L F/inj. (W) engine type?
Available Brand Name Part Number PlugGap Notes
Platinum Pro APP104 .054
XP Xtreme Performance XP104 .054 OE Style
Platinum AP104 .054
Copper Core 104 .054
Pro-Fit™ 86858
Professional Series 96858
Engine Type V8-5.4L F/inj. CNG (M) engine type?
Available Brand Name Part Number PlugGap Notes
Platinum Pro APP103 .044
XP Xtreme Performance XP103 .044 OE Style
Platinum AP103 .044
Copper Core 103 .044
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Posted by agscarfo: ok so you could have gotten a bad set ! and glad you looked for yourself !
ill take the smart a@@ comments but you can take back the ones that start with f
no hard feelings and maybe the plugs you where using WHERE the problem the OE style for the 1998 5.4 are the xp 103
and i dont know for sure but there maybe a diffrence between the APP 103 you have and the OE style XP 103 , i wouldent know what it is but it is a chance!
After taking the plugs out there boxes , you should have heard my bubble pop!! Couldn't believe it!!!
I take back the f's - still a smart a@@ lol
No hard feelings,
Thanx
ill take the smart a@@ comments but you can take back the ones that start with f
no hard feelings and maybe the plugs you where using WHERE the problem the OE style for the 1998 5.4 are the xp 103
and i dont know for sure but there maybe a diffrence between the APP 103 you have and the OE style XP 103 , i wouldent know what it is but it is a chance!
After taking the plugs out there boxes , you should have heard my bubble pop!! Couldn't believe it!!!
I take back the f's - still a smart a@@ lol
No hard feelings,
Thanx
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There ya go. The Autolite XP line is now an Iridium design, like that, Desno began this whole thing with.
Now NGK, Champoin, and Autolite all are marketing Iridium types.
They have been found to outperform lesser plugs even in dyno testing.
Kenne Bell has even tested and backed this up quite some time ago.
For a 4.6L 2V up to at least 03, Ford has superseded the AWSF32PM with AGSF32PM.
The outside difference you see is the threads are all the way up to the taper seat.
Autolite equivelent still has threads about half the distance like the old AWSF32PM.
I suspect this was done to reduce shelf stocking types and fit more different engines, otherwise there is no difference.
If I can't get an answer to the center electrode burn down, I may either try Iridiums or go back to a copper based plugs and change them more often.
I have requested Autolite to offer insight on this by e-mail to the company.
Now NGK, Champoin, and Autolite all are marketing Iridium types.
They have been found to outperform lesser plugs even in dyno testing.
Kenne Bell has even tested and backed this up quite some time ago.
For a 4.6L 2V up to at least 03, Ford has superseded the AWSF32PM with AGSF32PM.
The outside difference you see is the threads are all the way up to the taper seat.
Autolite equivelent still has threads about half the distance like the old AWSF32PM.
I suspect this was done to reduce shelf stocking types and fit more different engines, otherwise there is no difference.
If I can't get an answer to the center electrode burn down, I may either try Iridiums or go back to a copper based plugs and change them more often.
I have requested Autolite to offer insight on this by e-mail to the company.
