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Hi.
It's crap. Might as well pee into your engine ...
Listen to Labnerd - he knows his chit
Learn to use the Search function - there are only about a gazillion Seafoam posts already - not gonna type any more out again ...
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hlight=seafoam
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Grog
It's crap. Might as well pee into your engine ...
Listen to Labnerd - he knows his chit
Learn to use the Search function - there are only about a gazillion Seafoam posts already - not gonna type any more out again ...
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hlight=seafoam
Cheers
Grog
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Hi.
What part of ...
... don't you understand?
Like I said - crap.
When you possess the credentials that Labnerd has, I'll listen to you - until then, I'd prefer not to put this chit into my truck.
Hey Pumper419, it's your truck - the decision is up to you, but please do the research first - my link was merely one example.
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Grog
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Originally Posted by Labnerd
Seafoam is pale oil ( a non-detergent light oil -20w prox) and alcohol. Do not put it in a hot engine unless you want to replace cracked pistons. I would suggest a better and safer alternative- Berrymans B-12. It will also clean the injectors as well as carbon deposits and you don't have to worry about breaking things. Generally, the Triton engines burn exceptionally clean and carbon deposits are not a factor.
Like I said - crap.
When you possess the credentials that Labnerd has, I'll listen to you - until then, I'd prefer not to put this chit into my truck.
Hey Pumper419, it's your truck - the decision is up to you, but please do the research first - my link was merely one example.
Cheers
Grog
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I have no idea who Labnerd is or what is credentials (sp?). For all I know, he could have Googled it. What I do know is that Seafoam has:
Helped my 1999 with 110K run smoother, better throttle response.
Helped my brother's 1997 Jeep (110K) idle much smoother, and quit hesitating
Helped my 1973 Chrysler 130HP Outboard (2 stroke) start up much easier, run MUCH smoother, and picked up 5 MPH on the top end.
Helped my neighbor's jet ski's also run much smoother, no more hesitating or cutting out at WOT.
Helped my cousin's 1998 Exploder with 215K run MUCH better, no more hesitating or cutting out while under power.
No cracked pistons, everything still runs great.
Helped my 1999 with 110K run smoother, better throttle response.
Helped my brother's 1997 Jeep (110K) idle much smoother, and quit hesitating
Helped my 1973 Chrysler 130HP Outboard (2 stroke) start up much easier, run MUCH smoother, and picked up 5 MPH on the top end.
Helped my neighbor's jet ski's also run much smoother, no more hesitating or cutting out at WOT.
Helped my cousin's 1998 Exploder with 215K run MUCH better, no more hesitating or cutting out while under power.
No cracked pistons, everything still runs great.
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More interesting reading ...
Like I said - listen to Labnerd - but it's your engine
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Originally Posted by Labnerd
Per MSDS from the Seafoam website, the content in the can is:
Pale Oil 40-60% (Light weight oil)
Naptha 25-35% (Extremely hot burning solvent)
IPA 10-20% (IPA= alcohol)
Pale oil is a light weight oil, mixed with naptha, and mixed with alcohol. I would be very careful in using this with any frequency. Naptha burns very hot. It is going to be hard on the seals, especially valve seals. And the alcohol isn't doing anybody any favors either. If you suspect carbon buildup in the engine, use the industry recommended Techron made by Chevron. It does the job, doesn't destroy seals, doesn't put an oily film inside the CAT which can shorten its life, and all you have to do is put it in a tank of gas before changing the oil. Run that tank out and then change the oil so the garbage goes out with the old oil.
Pale Oil 40-60% (Light weight oil)
Naptha 25-35% (Extremely hot burning solvent)
IPA 10-20% (IPA= alcohol)
Pale oil is a light weight oil, mixed with naptha, and mixed with alcohol. I would be very careful in using this with any frequency. Naptha burns very hot. It is going to be hard on the seals, especially valve seals. And the alcohol isn't doing anybody any favors either. If you suspect carbon buildup in the engine, use the industry recommended Techron made by Chevron. It does the job, doesn't destroy seals, doesn't put an oily film inside the CAT which can shorten its life, and all you have to do is put it in a tank of gas before changing the oil. Run that tank out and then change the oil so the garbage goes out with the old oil.
Originally Posted by Labnerd
What you may be experiencing is the computer going into safe mode. If the catalytic converter exceeds a certain temp (different on every series of vehicles), the computer will shut down one or even as many as two injectors to cool the exhaust. Most of the engines that are suffering from a miss at temp and over 1600 rpms will be safe mode related. I would suggest NEVER putting anything even close to Seafoam in your engine. Imagine what it is doing to your catalytic converter. Seafoam is nothing more than a 20 viscosity non-detergent oil and alcohol. Would you put a qt of 5w-20Motorcraft oil down your manifold? About the same difference. And they claim it doesn't hurt anything. If you have a Ford Manual on the engine- look under miss firing. If you don't have one, go to the Motorcraft site and search for computer codes. The entire manual is on the site. It is something like 140+ pages in pdf. Look for miss firing there. I think it is at the front of the book like page 8 or something. Hope this helps.
http://www.motorcraft.com/default.jsp
http://www.motorcraft.com/default.jsp
Originally Posted by Labnerd
Seafoam= 80% prox 20 viscosity non-detergent oil, 20% prox alcohol
Mercon= a 20 viscosity Gp III dino oil with friction modifiers and detergents
I think it foolish to put either in a newer, modern engine. If you guys are concerned about carbon build up, use what the guys recommend that designed, built, and tested the engine- Techron. It also doesn't smoke, screw up the air or the O2 sensors or clog the cat, etc. It safely cleans the entire fuel system, the injectors, the intake, the valves, the plugs, the pistons, etc and doesn't destroy everything down wind of the exhaust valves. Your money and your repair bills.
Mercon= a 20 viscosity Gp III dino oil with friction modifiers and detergents
I think it foolish to put either in a newer, modern engine. If you guys are concerned about carbon build up, use what the guys recommend that designed, built, and tested the engine- Techron. It also doesn't smoke, screw up the air or the O2 sensors or clog the cat, etc. It safely cleans the entire fuel system, the injectors, the intake, the valves, the plugs, the pistons, etc and doesn't destroy everything down wind of the exhaust valves. Your money and your repair bills.
Cheers
Grog
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"Generally, the Triton engines burn exceptionally clean and carbon deposits are not a factor."
Why then, the hundreds of posts from folks claiming clogged EGR valves, throttle bodies, and other excessive carbon build up?
Not that I'm promoting the use of Seafoam, or any other additive. But it sure seems that carbon build up is a huge problem for many here. And to that, what can be done to minimize it?
Doesn't Chevron add Techron to their fuel? It must be not in large enough quantaties because I know many who use Chevron almost exclusively(credit card, ya know), and still have carbon build up in EGR valves, to the point I find it rediculous.
Joey
Why then, the hundreds of posts from folks claiming clogged EGR valves, throttle bodies, and other excessive carbon build up?
Not that I'm promoting the use of Seafoam, or any other additive. But it sure seems that carbon build up is a huge problem for many here. And to that, what can be done to minimize it?
Doesn't Chevron add Techron to their fuel? It must be not in large enough quantaties because I know many who use Chevron almost exclusively(credit card, ya know), and still have carbon build up in EGR valves, to the point I find it rediculous.
Joey
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Originally Posted by MGDfan
More interesting reading ...
Like I said - listen to Labnerd - but it's your engine
Cheers
Grog
Originally Posted by Labnerd
Per MSDS from the Seafoam website, the content in the can is:
Pale Oil 40-60% (Light weight oil)
Naptha 25-35% (Extremely hot burning solvent)
IPA 10-20% (IPA= alcohol)
Pale Oil 40-60% (Light weight oil)
Naptha 25-35% (Extremely hot burning solvent)
IPA 10-20% (IPA= alcohol)
Originally Posted by Labnerd
Seafoam= 80% prox 20 viscosity non-detergent oil, 20% prox alcohol
Like I said - listen to Labnerd - but it's your engine
Cheers
Grog
So which is it, 40%, 60%, or 80% Pale Oil?
Either way, all I have to go on is personal experience, and so far it's been great!
Different strokes...
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Originally Posted by Pumper419
Thanks for all of your input and I didn't mean to start a bunch of crap. I hear alot about it and just wonder what it did for the engine!
.Seafoam is already crap - I don't recall ever seeing an MSDS where a component had as wide a range (40%-60%). This to me indicates a lack of quality control or standards, where they throw in whatever is cheapest. In fact Labnerd's figure is probably the most accurate - the pale oil is the cheapest component of the three by far
For every one here who's complained or witnessed extreme carbon buildup, you'll find an equal or greater number who haven't. I took apart my entire intake assembly on my previous truck ( a Y2K) - no buildup anywhere.
No compression changes, no pinging, no loss of power over time, nada. but then again, also never saw any dirt getting past my AF-1, & I live in a steeltown. Gee I must be a lucky sumbiatch...
Remember - the operative term is - in general. Lots of factors, inlcluding local air & fuel quality, maintenance, PCV operation, usage - you name it. Pretty much like anything else in life - your mileage may vary
If you guys are lucky, Labnerd may chime in to set the record straight - but if he doesn't I wouldn't blame him - y'all basically questioned his integrity.
In the meantime, if you need to use something, use Techron. Seafoam may work, but there are safer alternatives.
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Originally Posted by calisonic
I tried the stuff and it didnt really do much for me, but if you can get it in someones engine w/o them knowing, all that smoke makes for a great freakin prank.
Yeah - Spencer's Gifts sells it - it's right beside the whoopie cushions, plastic barf, and synthetic dog chit
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"For every one here who's complained or witnessed extreme carbon buildup, you'll find an equal or greater number who haven't. I took apart my entire intake assembly on my previous truck ( a Y2K) - no buildup anywhere.
No compression changes, no pinging, no loss of power over time, nada."
I believe in comparison to the many posts I've read and researched, I've not reached the "equal to or greater than" number yet. But your experience is good one, Grog. I expect the same. Though I'm about a hundred miles south of a steeltown. Or it used to be. And my intake is just the plain ol'stock one it came with.
I think I'll just stick with the old tried and true gasoline in the tank. And maintain from there.
No compression changes, no pinging, no loss of power over time, nada."
I believe in comparison to the many posts I've read and researched, I've not reached the "equal to or greater than" number yet. But your experience is good one, Grog. I expect the same. Though I'm about a hundred miles south of a steeltown. Or it used to be. And my intake is just the plain ol'stock one it came with.
I think I'll just stick with the old tried and true gasoline in the tank. And maintain from there.