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Old 04-08-2005, 03:00 AM
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I have a 2002 f150 and a mechanic friend of mine said that he runs 10w-30 in his 5.4 for better protection. I was thinking of doing the same but figured I would ask a few more people, with more knowledge in this subject than me. Will this hurt the truck in any way or does it really even matter? Any information would be appreciated.
 
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Old 04-08-2005, 03:33 AM
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After buying my current vehicle, my first truck and vehicle with a V8 in many years I waffled along time with the 5W30 thinking that 10W30 or even 10W40 would be better. I just couldn't imagine putting any thing less then 10W in a V8.

But after a lot of reseach on the net and reading various things on the supject.

I'd say stick with the 5W30 like the manual calls for.

My Truck had 197,000 when I bought it. And I ran straight synthetic 5W30 on my first oil change. No Leaks and no complaints.
I've since switched to semisynth for cost reasons and I've still no complaints. It is still a strong running 4.6L

Also my Brother-in-Laws F150 w/ 5.4L has over 130,000 miles and has never had anything other than 5W30 in it. He pushes a plow every winter and generaly abuses it. It's still pulls and pushes like a cuddly monster. (purrs like a kitten but pulls and pushes like a beast) Built Ford Tough.

10W30 won't protect any better but it will hurt you MPG particulary in colder weather.

BTW I wrenched for a living for 14 years and still do as a hobby. So I know where your friends thoughts are coming from.

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Old 04-08-2005, 09:16 AM
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when i posted basically the same ? like 2 months ago i told people i had the 5w-30 in my manual... apparently there was a service bulliten for our trucks and it calls for 5w-20. they had 5-30 just because that was the thinnest when ours were made but since then the 20 has come out. i personally switched to mobile one 0w-20 (which is 5w-20 in reality but they just made it zero..kno one knows why ) dont take my word for it but hopefully someone out there still has the list of vehicals on that thing. do a serch for my name and you might find the post with the list in the engines section
 
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Stick to 5w20 or 5w30.
 
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Old 04-08-2005, 11:41 AM
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Re: what oil?

Originally posted by 02f1504x4
I have a 2002 f150 and a mechanic friend of mine said that he runs 10w-30 in his 5.4 for better protection. I was thinking of doing the same but figured I would ask a few more people, with more knowledge in this subject than me. Will this hurt the truck in any way or does it really even matter? Any information would be appreciated.
Personally, I don't think 10w30 will hurt your truck in anyway. It may compremise some fuel economy. Especially if you are running short trips. But as far as engine life. Nah you won't hurt a bit.

Right now I'm running 10w30 Amsoil ATM in my 4.6 liter.
 
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Old 04-11-2005, 05:37 PM
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Thank you for your input, It is always nice to get advise from someone who knows more about the subject than you. As for cold weather I live FL, and as for short trips I live out in BFE so that woudn't be a problem. After your advise I think I will stick with the 5w-30 for a while longer. Thanks again.
 
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Old 04-11-2005, 05:43 PM
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I have a 97 F150 4.6. when I used M1 10W30 it uses a quart in 3000 miles. when I use M1 5W30 it uses a quart or less in 4000 miles.


My 01 Cobra with MC 5w20 uses no oil.
 

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Old 04-11-2005, 09:34 PM
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my 98 has been running the full synthetic 5w-30 the motor runs cooler and seems the run alot more free when you step on the gas. It seems to reach speeds alot faster then the regular oil i used before.
 
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I've been reading some interesting stuff a Ford Engineer wrote about oils.

I may be changing my mind as far as what I said earlier.

I'll look into it some more and let ya all know what he said and what I've desided.

Doug
 
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Old 04-12-2005, 02:03 AM
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Let us know what you dig up DDan1967, you reading this online or.. if so link, if not where at? Thanks.
 
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I use Royal Purple 10W30 in my 99 5.4,have 118k on the motor with a few mods and still get a consistant 18-19 mpg. And I drive this truck hard most of the time.

I dont think these engines are that picky about oil.

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Old 04-12-2005, 03:56 AM
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Ha! Yet another of these "Which oils is the best?" threads. You can do a search on this topic and find a bunch of other threads on this exact subject, each at least 5 pages long with everyone having their own opinion, especially different people pushing specific brands, i.e. Royal Purple, RedLine, Amsoil, Mobil1 etc.

The discussion always turns from why they specify which oil, to which oil is better, to where you live and how you operate your vehicle, to fossil vs synthetic oils, then goes off onto even more esoteric tangents.

It always boils down to this: everyone has their own opinion and you should use whatever you feel is right for your truck, as long as you actually put oil in it and change it regularly (again the debate on proper change intervals always ensues, going equally nowhere).

If you guys feel the need to hash it out again, feel free. As for my two cents, I use Mobil1 15W50 in the hot summers (Orlando) and 10W30 for the ever-so-short "winter," and I change oil and filter every 4000 miles. But that's just me. Good luck on your spirited exchange.
 
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Well this is the info that has me on the fence leaning back towards my old thoughts.

The text below is from a E-Newsletter I receive, the author claims to be a Engineer for Ford in Detroit. He's also an AMSOIL dealer but I've edited out all references to specific products.

... let me explain the basics of viscosity and oil nomenclature: For example a 10W-30, 5W-30 and 0W-30 oil are all 30 weight oils. The differences occur in that the 10W, 5W and 0W each is a little bit different in cold weather (W stands for weight in winter weather). The 10W-30 acts like a 10 weight oil in winter weather until it warms up and then it is a 30 weight oil. The 5W-30 oil acts like a 5 weight oil in winter weather and when it warms up is a 30 weight oil. Same theory holds true for the 0W-30 oil. The differences are ever so slight that you would not be able to differentiate which one was in your engine without the use of specialized engine testing equipment. In fact 5W, 10W and 0W are strictly empirical numbers. In order to discern the differences one needs to review the kinematic viscosity of each lubricant. Kinematic viscosity is measured in Centistokes and is essentially the amount of time, in Centistokes; it takes a lubricant to flow through a fixed orifice at both 100 deg. Celsius and 40 deg. Celsius. For example, the kinematic viscosity, at 40 deg. C or AMSOIL 5W-30 is 59.5, AMSOIL 10W-30 is 66.1 and AMSOIL 0W-30 is 57.3. So as you can see the values are extremely close to each other.

In respect to the 5W-30 vs. the 10W-30 there are virtually no major differences other than the 10W-30 is formulated for turbocharged engines. Therefore when you use it in a non-turbocharged engine you get that extra measure of protection. The 5W-30 is often used by those customers that go exactly by the book and will only use what their owner’s manual says.

In my business I recommend the 10W-30 or 0W-30 even when the manufacturer’s recommendations call for a 5W-30 or a 5W-20. You see, I am an engineer at one of these automotive manufacturers here in Detroit, MI and I will let you in on a little secret: the auto manufacturers like to use lighter viscosity petroleum oils so that the vehicles get better CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy). Vehicles and components are also engineered to have a finite life within certain durability mileage ranges and test cycles and are tested using the petroleum oil that is specified by the manufacturer.

CAFE is mandated by the Federal Government and it is the average fuel economy of the entire vehicle line a manufacturer produces. Big trucks and SUV's are highly profitable where small cars are not, so in order to get the CAFE #'s reported to the Federal Government higher and be able to sell more SUV's and trucks they use lighter viscosity oils to compensate like a 5W-30 or 5W-20 so fuel economy increases (only in controlled tests which is why you'll never notice any difference in your vehicle). These 5W-20 oils, in my opinion, are that these oils do not provide an adequate level of protection under extreme conditions and severe duty. This is why I will not recommend a 5W-20 lubricant for my customers.

In addition, when these CAFE tests are run they are run under strictly controlled conditions on a closed course test track and with specially tested lubricants and fuels which are all within specifications. In fact, they don't even use standard pump grade fuel like is sold at retail gas stations. They use Indoline. That is one reason why your vehicle may not achieve the fuel economy numbers stated on the window sticker.

It is my opinion that the auto manufacturers are looking out for their best interests, profits and repeat business when vehicles need to be replaced. They figure if you get a decent average service life out of your engine without any major problems then you will be satisfied & will trade it in or sell it and buy another one soon. If they manufactured a vehicle that was so durable that you didn't need to buy a new one very often new vehicle sales would decrease significantly.
Well what do you think about that?

It left me wondering if I should put 10W40 next oil change. I mean what changed so much in V-8's that caused them to switch to 5W30?

Like I said I'm still on the fence, about the 10W40 that is. But I'm definatly going to use at least 10W30 next time.

Doug

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205,000+ miles and going strong
 
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Old 04-13-2005, 04:50 AM
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That is very interesting; unfortunately I have just changed my oil with 5w-30 and will have to wait till next time. Thanks for the info
 


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