I'll tell you it won't out pull a Ford half-ton any day of the week. For 1, the Dodge won't keep a tranny in it long enough to pull anything. Take a look on the Dodge boards - their trucks have a fair number of "issues".

Oh please, you think Neal has his sights set that low ? And where do you get your "less reliable" information ? I'm sure Neal has made his share of repairs, but his truck has been in hundreds, if not thousands, of drag races. I bet you can count on 0 fingers how many Dodge trucks ever came close to sniffin' his @ss after he hit the loud pedal...

Right. You think that just because Dodge says it has 1,000,000 HP it really does ? Take a look at the Truckin' Magazine comparison of the F-250, C-2500 and the Dodge 3/4 ton. All had diesels rated roughly the same. Empty, they ran about the same 1/4 mile times. Throw a heavy trailer behind them and guess what ? The Ford DESTROYED them both in the 1/4, by several seconds !! Real power, real TORQUE. I know it wasn't a HEMI comparison, but the over-rating game Dodge plays is shown here as well.

PLEASE !!! Chrysler's MARKETING DEPARTMENT is on a good roll with all that HEMI bull*****. Speaking of new products, look at the SRT-10: They call it a pick-up, but you can't put a load in it or pull a trailer with it ?? Some truck !!! FYI - Nowhere in that article did they say the trucks will get that engine - they only mention the SRT-8. Look at the performance specs they list: 0-60 in the low 5 second range and a high 13 second 1/4 mile. Gee, a stock Lightning does that and it weighs substantially more than the SRT-8. Who's padding the #'s here ??

Yeah, that's a good comparison: A new 5.7 liter 4,000 pound SUV against a ?? liter 5,000+ pound 4 year old truck ?

Give me a break !! 425 HP and only 420 ft.-lbs. of torque ? A stock Lightning is conservatively rated at 380 HP and 450 ft.-lbs. of torque. With just a 4 lb. pulley and a good tune a Lightning can put down over 400 HP and over 500 ft.-lbs. of torque TO THE WHEELS.

How do you figure Ford is always at the back of the pack with regards to HP ? Until all this recent HEMI crap started flying around, Dodge didn't even have a contender for the 4.0L V-6 in the Explorer Sport-Trac !!

Do everyone a favor - go get some HEMI boys to take their trucks to a dyno and see what they put down to the wheels. Then come back and talk smack...

 

i have a 98 f150 with a 4.6. This 4.6 will beat damn near most trucks out exept the few like lighting and srt 10. people are making this hemi sounds so good when it really isent anything special. if you want to spend your money on a name than go but a hemi other wise they arent wroth a damn.

 

Don't get me wrong guys i have had my ford truck since 8/96 and have not had a single problem with it . Still oem tranny and clutch,plugs wires etc... But to say dodge has more tranny issues carries not merit in my eyes. I have friends that have ford trucks and each have had there share of tranny problems. Now that could be many things beginning with maint. abuse whatever. Dodge does have there problems but so do the rest of all truck makers.

I would buy a new F-150 long before i would buy anything else hands down.

 

My thoughts are this: If you are really that worried about beating another model of truck you spend the cash and do what needs to be done... All is far in Love, War, and Racing...

 

Just thought I'd toss this in for good measure. Texas is one of many States with Lemon Laws. The "Texas 2003 Lemon Law report, released by the Texas Department of Transportation’s Motor Vehicle Division, lists number of complaints filed, defects reported and complaint disposition". The link below is a compilation of complaints for 2003 by Texas consumers. According to the report, the five most popular selling vehicles with the highest complaint index ratings are (from highest to lowest) Dodge Dakota Pickup, Volkswagen Jetta, Chrysler Town and Country Van, DODGE RAM SERIES PICKUP TRUCK, and the Dodge Stratus. The F150 is no where on this list.

Just the facts.....

http://www.dot.state.tx.us/txdotnews/037-2004.htm

 

Funny how the Chevy Silverado had the 12th lowest but the GMC Sierra was 11th highest. They are the same truck.

 

 

MPG....


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prh



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
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Location: illinois
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I have 1500 miles on my 5.7 hemi and I can get over for 14 mpg until I hit a traffic signal or if I have to stop because of backups, then it drops to 9 - 11 mpg just like that. Seems to consume more gas idling than driving.

HAHA Dumba$$ Dodge drivers. umm lets see Miles Per Gallon (MPG) now that would be kinda skewd if there were no miles......... Duhhhhhh

 

i own 2, 5.4 trucks, one with a vortech supercharger. my brother owns a 4 door hemi.

if anyone in houston wants to put this to the test i have a fork lift and will be happy to drop 1000# on a pallet in your STOCK 5.4 and i will drop the same in the hemi and we can line them up.

we have a business and haul this amount of weight often , the hemi will win.

btw, all three get 12 to 13 in the city. my 97 has the 100 trans and is great, my 01 has the little trans and had to be rebuilt at 65000 miles the dodge is 1 year old and has never been in the shop.
if you have never driven one then dont assume anything, it is a nice truck that drives good just like my ford. but stock for stock the hemi destroys my 5.4.

 

For one thing dropping wieght on the truck and actually pulling weight is a big difference..or so i would think. Thats like anything...it is usually easier to pick it up and carry it vs. dragging it because of the friction..but thats just what they taught me in physical science back in the day. I could be wrong i was usually trying to start things on fire in that class. And we or at least i was comparing the hemi to the new 5.4 which upped its horsepower and torque substantially. Every truck will run a little different. You take a 100 fords with the 5.4 same year same everything and you will get some that get way better gas milieage and some that have outstanding power. I dont think any 2 trucks are too close. Maybe it was just the trucks you have. I know i wouldnt be afraid of going against a hemi with my dads 00 f-150. The dealer said thats one of those rare trucks that have that outstanding power and get up and go. It would be close i think.

 

the 1000 pounds in the back , represents a real world comparison. the reason is that some say empty the hemi is faster, loaded the ford is better, bring a 6000 pound trailer or what every you want to compare. it would be an interesting comparison.

my 5.4 supercrew runs 15.1, 1/4 miles and the hemi runs dead even with it. most stock 5.4 supercrews or supercabs are in the 16.4 to 16.8 range. This is of coarse empty which is how i drive my truck 90% of the time. dont forget that most hemi are equped with a 3.90 rear gear and a 5 speed automatic.

hey, i love my ford truck, but the competion is there and not as far away as some would like to think.

 

My .02 cents on this is as follows. Brother in law works for ford and bought a new hemi pick up at 5000 miles we decide to race down the interstate both bone stock. beat his *** for about 1.5 miles then he started to gain on me. Then boom his freaking crank yes i said crank blew through the block and out the side of the fender. Could just be his truck but for short distances i have taken 4 of them so far longer distances who knows.

 

Cut-n-paste from an older post that I made:

I don’t believe the accuracy of the manufacturers HP/Torque numbers. As part of a youth group with a trailers loaded with canoes and kids, my 99 Lariat 5.4 out pulls the ’04 Hemi and ’03 GMC 5.3. Granted I have added a few mods but I can easily pull away from both loaded with similar loads (we all have K&N or FIPK air systems, and cat-back systems). I also got better fuel mileage pulling the load – 15, Hemi – 11, and GMC – 13.

My friend that has the Hemi is also a cop. We have had them side-by-side and I have a definite edge over him on unloaded acceleration as well.

 

HI!... BEARDOGE :

Actually the work I have done to my truck has made it *MORE* reliable than when it was stock. I've had no mechanical probems with my engine for almost 6 years of beating the crap out of it. I've rebuilt a tranny due to a screwed up BAUMANN ENGINEERING shift kit, and a ballooned TQ converter due to too much power. But 80H.P/100FT/LBS increase over stock will do that. I still make a bit less H.P than the HEMI but a bit more TQ and it's not even close to being competition. In a 0-60MPH race, I can get a easy 5 truck lengths on one. 1/4 mile race is a joke and I have raced several for top speed runs, and even with my truck having 4.10 gears and smaller diameter tires from stock, they still can't match my 140MPH+ TOP SPEED. I have got just over 21MPG on the highway with my truck. The HEMI can't touch that. Not even in the same class. I'd gladly hook up a 10,000LB trailer to my truck and a hemi and see who would win. I bet it would be me, because I have towed this much with tri-axle trailers from work with two skidsteers on it.