If you do pay the $12k for a new engine, will it have a warranty? Can you remove the tuner and intake and have a warranty? Questions to ask before starting the work.

$12k for a new engine is another reason not to buy an ecoboost!

 

$12k includes a lot of $100/hr dealership time.

A quick check here found a bunch of low mileage complete engines for $3000-4000. A lot are in Canada too.
Salvage yard 3.5EB

Tasca Ford has the short block listed for $1900 and the complete engine for $5300

And because I know it's gonna come up, the price really doesn't have much to do with the engine type. I checked the prices for the 5.0 and they are about the same.
Salvage yard 5.0

Tasca Ford sells the 5.0 short block for $3100 and the complete engine for $5200

 

Almost $7k for labor!? Yikes!

 

I tuned the truck at 10k miles ( and almost to 50k now) and never thought twice about it. I went with 2 reputable companies with my custom tunes. I dont really see a point in waiting until after warranty if your going to tune.. If its going to blow there is nothing that can be done. If your warranty is over with then you would have to buy a new engine out of pocket.. If its under warranty then 50/50 shot of it getting covered.


The problem with the op is he didnt put it back to stock, had his tuner sitting there on the dash. Should've atleast tuned back to stock, clear the KAM and take the programmer out of the truck and hope for the best.

 

I know what you mean, just for me I couldn't do it. But I have to say, the newer vehicles (at least to me) have the power and such that you used to have to tune for with trucks like mine. There's less and less I would change. Its like 300hp 4.6 3V mustangs versus the new 435hp 5.0 in the '15s... I'm quite content with that.

 

The problem is an POS canned tune with NO datalogging. You run tuning on an EB - you better be datalogging it. And keeping a real close eye on misfire counts.

With the unavoidable P1000 code now sitting in memory - and no way to explain it or clear it as no drive cycles possible. Not to mention there is always Dearborn and their PCM forensics. Then there's that intake ... lol.

Untuned EB's typically don't throw rods. You better believe they are gonna do all they can to find out why. Warranty denial is the name of the game.

 

Id rather take a chance of a p1000 code than them seeing right of the bat a tuned truck with the programmer sitting right there.

I could always come up with a excuse as why the 1000 code is showing. Them darn Motorcraft batteries are always going dead.. I had to jump start it and then a block later the engine blew. Sounds like a legitimate excuse to me

Totally agree with you on a canned tune on these Eb's.. Do it right the first time and never look back.

 

Engine 2 holes 1/2 dollar size beside cylinder 1 and 4. Piston undeside looks like beaten wth BFH. Head and valves hit by piston, which was sideways in block...Turbo had metal dropping out. Did not see a rod. Engine cost 6211, core 1000, turbo 826, core deposit 250 manifold 162,misc gaskets parts antifreeze brings to 7400 labor 3645 tax 440. The dealer said they would help with some labor.They were cordial . I ask about calling a reg rep and gave me the info. I wished I had moved truck to area away from busy highway to take off tuner, but was afraid to mess it up worse. Looking at motor it was pretty trashed already, but not as bad as I have seen. 100 more feet would not have hurt. Depending on how it does after getting back will determine how long I keep it. Although I have a lot of$ in it. Going to move forward and do more homework in the future, ask more questions....try to rebuild my mad $ agian for my pro touring 67 fastback now on hold...Thank you for all the well wishes and concerns and even the info I should have done. I appreciate your interests...

 

Even with the tune set back to oem.....

ttp://www.flatratetech.com/community/index.php?showtopic=31641&hl=+custom%20+tune#entry 220469
Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:30 AM
Fullsizeblazin “They most definitely can! Once they pull the Mode 9 file on the IDS all your dirty little secrets will be revealed and your warranty will be promptly voided.”

and yes, I agree....

Especially with any boosted engine......going with a mail order tune is really no different than your grandparents taking their car to "Tune-Masters" for a tune-up......yes, they did change the plugs etc, but they were not there to fine tune the car just find the middle of the road where the car runs and get it out of the shop. Mail order tuners are no different...anyone who claims they can tune your car without ever seeing it is selling camel poop- period! The cannot tune your engine without seeing the data specific to altitude, humidity & fuel burning characteristics- just because you use 93 octane does not mean the 93 octane they used on their dyno (tuners) has the same burning characteristics...nor do they typically address the seasonal fuel blends for each region of the US. Boosted engines are a lot less forgiving with greater potential for catastrophic failure if anything goes wrong.................I feel for the OP as some of these “tune geniuses” have caused damage to a few vehicles-flatratetech.com has a lot of comments from the MSE techs!

and the most important item is……these "mail order tuners' are not regulated like any other auto repair shop in the US...so if they "damage" your engine...gee, sorry...sue me!

 

If you're able to restore a Mustang you should be able to swap out a blown engine. The links I put were for complete engines with the turbos attached.

 

Thanks, I will take a look...
I hope other people see this and do their homework!!!!

 

Man this really sucks. But, I don't get the thinking of posters on this thread that this issue is the fault of a EB engine. I built racing engines when I was a young buck and I clearly recall the consequences when I took one engine one tweak too far. I knew exactly where I screwed up and blaming the manufacturer for my mistake never occurred to me.

While hobbyists may find a better profile through experimentation the engineering that goes into the engines is staggering. I'm not sure what the draw is about doing this to an F150 - why not get a sports car that's ready to go out of the box? A 2015 Shelby GT500 'stang lists for $55K and does a 3.5 0-60, which is a tad better than a 150 will do unless you go with a GE J79 or better, for far less $$$.

 

Well, this made me rethink my cold air intake. lol. I have no mods planned except lowering shackles and I highly doubt that will void my warranty.

Sorry to hear about this. Hope everything works out for you.

 

Don't even think aboot it - not without tuning specifically for it.

As fer shackles - it may or may not - depending upon what potentially fails, and the whim of yer dealer. Check first. BTW -heck, if a Dealer installs it, you may even have a chance of retaining warranty, lol.

MGD

 

I actually already ordered the K&N Intake but I am trying to cancel it since I just ordered it yesterday. If it comes in anyway I will just return it but it sounds like its not worth the hassle. I remember when they use to actually help. I used to make the damn things for another make of car when I couldn't get any of these other manufacturers to make them. I like the sound they make but I can live without it. Maybe I will just find me a K&N drop in? I will have to do some more research on that topic, don't want to hijack this thread.