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Old Jul 24, 2012 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 1depd
I'm rather new to turbos so I am asking to try to learn. Would the fact that the computer is lowering power output, work to also lower the demand on the turbos resulting in a "cooling" effect? Or more accurately less heating of the turbos.
It would be negligent. Maybe a hundred degree difference, tops which is nothing considering the immense heat of 800-1200*F
 
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Old Jul 24, 2012 | 12:59 PM
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Do you understand how a turbo works? They use EXHAUST gas to spin the turbine. These temps go anywhere from 400* to 1200*. Oil lubricates the turbine shaft and they may use coolant to help cool but I'm not sure on the ecoboost if they have this feature. IAT temps of 100-140* will NOT hurt a turbo. Also, you are thinking of it backwards. The turbo sucks air from the air filter, pushes the air into the heat exchanger in the front of the truck then into the intake. Thus cooling the air going into the engine as its HOT coming out of the turbo. If you block the heat exchanger it will raise IAT and the truck will pull timing because of this. Thus loosing power. This affects the turbo none, just power output.
Hmm... Yep I do indeed know how a Turbo works. I previously owned an F250 as well as a VW GTI which both had turbos. Do I know everything nope and never stated that I did. I am simply stating my opinion as far as intake air being cooled not the turbos. Blocking the front of the trucks inter cooler is not a smart thing since you will not be able to cool the intake air which will result in heat saturated temps thus bringing the power down on the echo boost trucks.

On another note while many turbos are cooled with oil, the Ford dealer I got my truck from stated that the EB are cooled from water. I was not aware of that myself.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FXN2FSH
On another note while many turbos are cooled with oil, the Ford dealer I got my truck from stated that the EB are cooled from water. I was not aware of that myself.
Yep, water cooled, no issues with coking up the turbos on the EB. They ran a test in development of cold starting going full throttle until max temp then shutting the engine down. It was cycled like 1,500 times doing this with no ill effects..... update= found the article

http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=29657
 

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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 11:53 AM
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I would still let the truck idle for a bit after driving it hard so the oil doesn't crystallize in the turbo
 
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by IR0NS1N
I would still let the truck idle for a bit after driving it hard so the oil doesn't crystallize in the turbo
NO Need to anymore Since Ford went this route..
per article in earlier post:
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Turbochargers operate at high speed – up to 170,000 rpm – and under intense temperatures of up to 950 degrees Celsius (1,740 degrees Fahrenheit). Some previous-generation turbos were reputed to suffer from oil coking, in which they would bake their lubricating oil. Because oil coking can lead to premature turbocharger bearing failures, Ford’s advanced engine engineers specified the use of new, water-cooled turbochargers to combat this problem.

“During normal turbo operation, the turbo receives most of its bearing cooling through oil,” said Keith Plagens, turbo system engineer. “After shut down, the problems with turbos in the past were you would get coking in the center bearing. Oil would collect in the bearings, the heat soaks in and the oil would start to coke on the side and foul the bearing. Water cooling – used in the EcoBoost engine – eliminates that worry.”

The new EcoBoost V-6 uses two Honeywell GT15 water-cooled turbos.

“The EcoBoost engine uses passive thermal siphoning for water cooling,” Plagens explains. “During normal engine operation, the engine’s water pump cycles coolant through the center bearing. After engine shutdown renders the water pump inactive, the coolant flow reverses. Coolant heats up and flows away from the turbocharger water jacket, pulling fresh, cool coolant in behind. This highly effective coolant process is completely silent to the driver, continuing to protect the turbocharger.”
 
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 06:01 PM
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Anybody aware of any airflow issues related to covering the Eco "pie hole" with a billet grille?
Great info shared by all in this post but I can assure you this grill wont cook a turbo

https://www.f150online.com/forums/me...let-lower.html
 
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dobie Hauler
Great info shared by all in this post but I can assure you this grill wont cook a turbo

https://www.f150online.com/forums/me...let-lower.html
I can agree that grill will not!
Nice Dobie pic bro! I had one named Major as a boy growing up. He was a great dog.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 05:05 PM
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There have been rumours, that Ford/dealers will void the warranty if anything is blocking the IC. I know of two ppl who were told by the dealer that if they put a lower valence grill in, their warranty would be void. But who knows.
hi,, im new here, but just bought a f150 ecoboost,, the ford dealer here,, sells a grill for 300
bucks,, so i think if they sell one ,, well an aftermarket one would work just as well and not void any warranty
 
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 06:13 PM
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So the irony is you see people say "you can't restrict flow" then you see posts saying Ford actually attempts to restrict flow because the IC is too efficient and bogs down...wtf?
 
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 01:01 AM
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Yeah - bottom line, if you are going to put anything in front of the intercooler, clear it with your dealer first.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2013 | 10:24 PM
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Seen no performance issues after installing my Boost-Bars
 
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Old Jun 26, 2013 | 11:55 AM
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Seen no performance issues after installing my Boost-Bars
User name is boost-bars selling a product named boost-bars...

Obvious spam is obvious.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2013 | 06:42 PM
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for most of us that drive these things around like cars most of the time, a bar grill in the front won't matter that much as these things catch air from underneath as well.

IF you are towing at around max weight through mountain passes on hot days, then I would not recommend putting anything in front of that opening.

For the record, putting something in front of a hole will restrict air flow through that hole, because you are taking up space and making the hole collectively smaller. In this case the question is, will it make a noticeable difference. For most of us probably not, because most of us don't use nearly all the power this engine will put out, so we will never know if there is a power drop on a hot day or not.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2013 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MrEvil
The 00-04 Ford Excursion's grille is much more restrictive than the stock Super duty grille and the versions with the Powerstroke didn't suffer much for it.

Personally I've just thought of cutting a bit of 1/2" expanded metal and putting it inside the bumper. Anything smaller than 1/2" probably won't be enough to put a hole in the intercooler, but the mesh will be large enough to let more than enough air through. Last thing I want is to be stuck behind a belly dump full of caliche on a 2 lane road somewhere on the way to Amarillo and get a hole in the intercooler from a stray rock. A few hundred miles in limp-home mode doesn't sound like fun, neither does waiting on a tow truck.
Hello all,

I designed and installed a sheet metal grill for my dads ecoboost about 6 months ago and he has had no issues. I have since sold a few on kijiji and have not had any complaints from any customers. I'm new to these forums but I thought if I'm going to be selling them then I should be researching any effects that they may have.
 

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