Experiences with new auto behind 5.4 in '00s?

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Old 03-19-2000 | 06:08 PM
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Check out your transmission dip stick,it will say right on the yellow handle wether to use mercon atf or mercon atf v transmission fluid.mercon atf is the 4r100 trans and mercon atf v is the 4r70w its right on page 216 in your owners manual(99 truck).

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Old 03-19-2000 | 06:14 PM
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factory tech.Do you have any info on the head gasket problems with the 5.4.They put a dye in mine and next change they will check with a light.But I have a feeling that my gasket has to be replaced.Also how do they feel about after market mods will they give me crap and try to refuse any warranty work.I will be pulling my chip about a week before I bring in for next change and to check on oil leak.Also can I get a light at any auto parts store and check for myself to make sure they are not screwing me.Thanks for any helpful ino.

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Old 03-19-2000 | 07:42 PM
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Factory_Tech - And what is the story on the door cracks? Any word on the "fix" yet?
 
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Old 03-19-2000 | 10:14 PM
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What is confusing every one is the apparent re-use of the "E" code for the old E4OD tranny used until around 99 in the 5.4L. I do not know why. It confuses me too some times. The actual "4R100" has never been behind an F150 except for the previous exceptions noted. And the new Canadian angle (emmisions package commonly termed California but not only sold there I think) He probably had the E4OD due to the date. Hey, they are good trannies all of them.

By the way. My 97 Lariat 4.6L with a 4R70W used regular Mercon. And my current F250 with a 4R100 uses regular Mercon. So you cannot tell that way. I know some 99 4R70W's used Mercon V.

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Old 03-19-2000 | 11:33 PM
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I wouldn't bother with removing the chip, there is on this board a dealer SA who says that they don't void the warranty, so it doesn't effect them. Read the other boards, I forget where I saw it, but he gives a real good explanation on what a dealer does and does not do or care about.
On the head gaskets and door cracks, I'm as in the dark as everyone else, I work in a transmission plant and those issues just don't come up. Actually, the dealer is prolly the best source on that, (I can hear the groans). You might want to ask the Dealer SA who frequents this board on that, also.
A general obsevation on the dealer and your warranty, he gets paid for any work he does, just from Ford and not the owner, so I would think they would be pretty forgiving on most aftermarket parts as long as these mods are not the source of the problem he's going to fix.
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Old 03-19-2000 | 11:39 PM
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I forgot to add, I'm gonna try to get some photos of 4R70's and 4R100s from the plant Monday, so anyone who can't find thier ID tag can still have a quick and easy way to tell. The boxes are RADICALLY different in appearance, so with a photo it'll be easy to tell if all else fails. I'll try to get side views (the most obvious view) and a picture of the pans, (the easiest thing to see from under the truck)
I hope it'll help.
Now, when I get the pictures, will someone tell me how to get them on the board, I'm HTML impaired.
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Old 03-20-2000 | 08:11 AM
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All you have to do is look on the drivers door sticker code. An "E" under the letters TR is the 4R100 or in pre 99 (exact date of change unknown by me)the earlier version called the E4OD. And if it is a "U" is the 4R70W. This is not rocket science.
 
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Old 03-20-2000 | 05:06 PM
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cphilip in the 99 manual.It says not to mix the mercon and mercon v,They make a special notation on that and then there is a chart to tell you what fluid is for what transmission.That is how I figured out I have the 4r100 tranny.

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Old 03-20-2000 | 09:49 PM
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The use or not of Mercon or Mercon V does not indicate what tranny you have in certain years. I repeat, I had a 97 F150 4.6L with a dipstick that said Mercon. And I still have a set of 97 Ford factory shop manauls that says Mercon and it had the 4R70W. You have a 99 5.4L so very well might have the 4R100 but it is not the fluid use that is consistent and determining factor. They made lots of changes so go by the door code. It will tell all.
 
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Old 03-21-2000 | 03:44 AM
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Yes, he's right on that, and someone microwave the crow, I was wrong on my "if ya gots a 5.4 it's a 4R100" statement, that was changed in either 99 or 00 model year.
I do have what is prolly great news for those of you with the imfamous green and orange stickers...THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THOSE TRANSMISSIONS, well, nothing wrong with them caused them to get a sticker anyway.
The scoop on the stickers is this, I asked a tech in Validation, and he says that they are for SPC purposes only. SPC is Statistical Process Control. What they do, is every so often (ussually after a tooling or holiday shutdown) is they run a certain amount of boxes with these stickers. IF one of them comes to a dealer for repair within a certain time frame, the tranny is replaced and the broken one is shipped in for validation to analyze and evaluate. A sticker run is typically 30 days worth of production. Sometimes more, sometimes less.
But the important part is, there is no reason to expect then to fail any more often than non-stickered units, they just want a sample of ALL FAILURES for a given period.
I hope everyone breathes easier now. If you have a stickered tranny and something does go wrong, within the stated test period, you get a new transmission without the dealer attempting a fix. Nothing against dealer tech, because they do a great job by and large, but I kinda think that the elctronics on the new tranny's are best fixed at the plant. My opinion.

Hope this clears up a few things.

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Old 03-22-2000 | 08:04 AM
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Thanks Factory_Tech. Intersting. A quality control program huh? Very nice. I'll have to look and see if I got one of them orange stickers.

Oh, and by the way if you marinate it over night and grill it, it ain't that bad. I haven eaten many of them.

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Old 03-22-2000 | 05:17 PM
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I must be stupid,because in my 1999 150/250 owner's manual on page 216.Auto trans (4R100) MERCON ATF,Auto Trans(4R70W) MERCON V ATF.There is a notation at bottom of page.Ensure the correct auto trans fluid is used.Transmission fluid requirements are indicated on the dipstick or on the dipstick handle.MERCON and MERCON V are not interchangeable.DO NOT mix MERCON and MERCON V.refer to your Scheduled Maintenance Guide to determine the correct service interval.This is word for word from my manual.

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Old 03-23-2000 | 10:24 AM
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No you are not stupid but that book only applies to your 99's. Recheck what I said about dates of manufacture. My point was it depends on the model year what fluid they used. Your book is only correct for the model year it was intended for. 97 4R70W's got Mercon. 99 4R70W's got Mercon V. I can't speak for the other years. I only know for sure that 1997 4R70W's was Mercon in all trannys. Get it?
 
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Old 03-23-2000 | 04:09 PM
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Sorry Buddy I didn't read your question thouroughly.

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