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Old May 3, 2012 | 12:13 AM
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AMSOIL Synthetic Multi-Vehicle ATF is recommended for transmissions, hydraulics, power steering and other applications requiring any of the following specifications:

• GM DEXRON® III-H
• Ford MERCON® & MERCON V
• Chrysler ATF+4®
• Toyota Type T-III and T-IV
• Honda Z-1 (Not CVT)
• Diamond SP II & III (Mitsubishi/Hyundai/Kia)
• Mazda ATF-III, ATF-MV
• Subaru ATF, ATF-HP
• Nissan Matic D, J & K
• Idemitsu K-17
• BMW LA2634
• LT 71141
• Audi G-052-025-A2 & G-052-162-A1
• Volvo 97340
• MB 236.1, 236.2, 236.5, 236.6, 236.7, 236.9 & 236.10
• JWS 3309
• NAG 1
• ETL-7045E, ETL-8072B & N402
• Voith 55.6335.XX (G607, G1363)
• ZF TE-ML 03D, 04D, 09, 14A, 14B, 14C, 16L, 17C
• Allison C-4, TES 389
• Mopar AS68RC

Note: Not for use with CVT or Ford Type F applications.

AMSOIL Synthetic Fuel Efficient Automatic Transmission Fluid is recommended for automatic transmissions and other applications requiring DEXRON® VI, MERCON® LV, SP or Toyota WS.

AMSOIL Synthetic Fuel Efficient Automatic Transmission Fluid is backward compatible and replaces DEXRON® III fluids in older GM automatic transmissions. (DEXRON® VI specification supersedes the obsolete DEXRON® III in GM vehicles.)

*Not for use with CVT or Ford Type F applications.
 
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Old May 3, 2012 | 08:26 AM
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Exactly... "Recommended for"

Does not actually meet specification.
 
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Old May 3, 2012 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by EsJayEs
Exactly... "Recommended for"

Does not actually meet specification.
Yep.

As opposed to this one, for example - 'Formally Approved' :

https://www.f150online.com/forums/tr...-any-good.html


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Old May 3, 2012 | 11:14 AM
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Scratch my long comment on Amsoils ATF and Torque Drive... If you don't understand now... You will never understand...

As for {Meeting} specification? LoL!! I bet if Amsoil became a follower like most or a puppet... and payed to have their brand of fluid tested to meet these specifications... ATF & Torque Drive just might show up the rest of the so called specified fluids... I have witnessed ATF and Torque Drive in an 03 4R100 with over 300K miles on her and this Transmission is running perfect within a F350 7.3L... Towing New Cars from Dealership to Dealership all over Ok & Texas... If Amsoil says its Recommend for it... I trust It... I have never heard or seen a failure do to using any of these 2 fluids...

Note: How can it be bad missleading info? If nothing ever bad happens because if it? Except {maybe} longer equiptment life then normal? With millions of customers surely thousands would have had issues and sued or complained about it... Yrs Ago Maybe not Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about...Except I have experienced it first hand... Many Times Over...
 

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Old May 3, 2012 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SyN
I have to say this: My Dad has driven on 03 F350 7.3L since 03... The 4R100 within that F350 has over 300K miles on it... Towing autos from car dealer to car dealer all over Ok & Texas... That same 4R100 had it's first service at 30K miles... Since then it has been serviced every 50K miles with Amsoil Torque Drive & Amsoil ATF... No one in this retarded world can tell me that you will have major transmission issues using these 2 fluids... You have no idea what you are talking about... To this day... The same 4R100 is in nothing but stellar condition... He did install a 6.0L transmission cooler at 50K miles as well as a remote spin-on filter to keep the fluid clean but that is it...

I myself trust Amsoil and what it puts in each bottle as well as the print on the bottle...
It has never given me a reason not too...

My personal opinion---> Amsoil ATF or Torque Drive is many times better then the actual fluid that meets the specification or requirements ...
But, do you have any evidence to say that it would've lasted less if using the proper fluid?

It's also worth noting that the Amsoil Torque Drive ATF specifically states it is not for use in Mercon V applications.

This thread is going in circles. So here's some input from Amsoil directly:

The fluid is formulated to meet all of the specifications listed. We do not license it with the various manufacturers, so it may not be on their lists. We do warranty its use, however.

Byron Selbred
Technical Services

AMSOIL INC.
ADDRESS: 1 AMSOIL Center, Superior, WI 54880
E-MAIL: bselbrede@amsoil.com
PHONE: 715-392-7101
FAX: 715-392-3097
I asked for clarification on what exactly "We do warranty its use" means have not heard back. Also note the careful wording. "formulated to meet". Never said that it actually does meet those specs. If I do hear back, I'll post.

Every other major oil manufacturer goes to the trouble to ensure their product is suitable for use in its intended application. So is Amsoil somehow special, or just hiding something?

If you still don't understand, it's ok. I'm sure you won't blow up a transmission anytime soon. I'm simply preventing the spread of bad/misleading information.
 

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Old May 3, 2012 | 08:36 PM
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Amsoil is in my truck. I switched to it last year the truck has 140,000 miles on the original trans. In 5 years if the trans hasnt needed a rebuild I'll sing amsoil praise.
I hear yuh. My truck wouldn't move w/Merc V. I was just about to spring for a used trans, one w/warranty for about $800, then my uncle (owns a shop up north) sent me a case of Amsoil. I still argued with him, I didn't want to waste more new fluid, once the Merc V failed.

Did it anyway and she's been fine since.

So yea, yea, - I believe... Now. Great stuff! Over 300, 000 miles on that trans, -still doin it.
 
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Old May 3, 2012 | 11:34 PM
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I asked for clarification on what exactly "We do warranty its use" means have not heard back.
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1363.pdf
 
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Old May 4, 2012 | 08:53 AM
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Great read. I never did hear back from them.

I wonder how they actually handle claims when they come in. I see a few things in there that could easily let them wiggle free from any liability if they wanted to.

Here are some things not covered and reasons they can deny a claim:

• Repair or replacement of equipment because of normal wear.

• Failure was the result of an OEM defect.

• AMSOIL lubricants contaminated after leaving the AMSOIL premises. Examples include contamination due to improper
handling, re-packaging, storage or filtration and contamination from dirty dispensing equipment.

• Failure of equipment due to a pre-existing condition that is unrelated to the use of AMSOIL.
I understand from their view having to limit their warranty like this, but it leaves enough room for them to deny any and every claim. The burden is on the customer to prove the failure.

If they're that confident in their product, why doesn't it at least meet the OEM specs? It would remove the need for a "warranty".

No matter how many different ways some people here try to explain it, it doesn't change the fact that this product does not meet the spec. Surely if there was a way to make one fluid for almost everything out there, and have it meet all of the specs, one of the big companies would've done it already. It would likely save them money.
 
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Old May 4, 2012 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SyN
Scratch my long comment on Amsoils ATF and Torque Drive... If you don't understand now... You will never understand...

As for {Meeting} specification? LoL!! I bet if Amsoil became a follower like most or a puppet... and payed to have their brand of fluid tested to meet these specifications... ATF & Torque Drive just might show up the rest of the so called specified fluids... I have witnessed ATF and Torque Drive in an 03 4R100 with over 300K miles on her and this Transmission is running perfect within a F350 7.3L... Towing New Cars from Dealership to Dealership all over Ok & Texas... If Amsoil says its Recommend for it... I trust It... I have never heard or seen a failure do to using any of these 2 fluids...

Note: How can it be bad missleading info? If nothing ever bad happens because if it? Except {maybe} longer equiptment life then normal? With millions of customers surely thousands would have had issues and sued or complained about it... Yrs Ago Maybe not Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about...Except I have experienced it first hand... Many Times Over...
Don't pay attention to that guy. VERY slow learner, they come and go. You've got plenty of backup here and abroad.
 
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Old May 4, 2012 | 09:55 AM
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How do you KNOW it doesn't actually meet specs? I honestly believe that it in fact DOES meet spec:

The fluid is formulated to meet all of the specifications listed. We do not license it with the various manufacturers, so it may not be on their lists.
Licensing costs money, which they choose not to spend. The stuff costs enough as is. I'd use it in a heartbeat before I'd use something like Walmart Supertech which is officially certified.
 
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Old May 4, 2012 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by glc
How do you KNOW it doesn't actually meet specs?
How do you KNOW that it does? Because they said so? Seems legit...

No need to get so defensive. What you pour into your vehicle is of no consequence to me. Forums are filled with enough BS and speculation as it is. No need to add to the pile.

Just keeping the facts straight.
 
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Old May 4, 2012 | 07:42 PM
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I'd use it in a heartbeat before I'd use something like Walmart Supertech which is officially certified.
To each their own. I would much prefer the Walmart Supertech with an official license than a fluid that doesn't have a license but promises that it meets the specs.
 
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Old May 4, 2012 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by EsJayEs
How do you KNOW that it does? Because they said so?
Because it works.

For real people, forum users, out in the field.

You can read a label, not understand it and twist it to our liking.

Just what this forum needs. Someone passing on BAD info.
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All the users backing it can't be wrong and neither can seeing it for myself.

There's nothing wrong with Amsoil products. Stands up in colder climates as well. They're grease is the only product we can use sub zero. It doesn't freeze up, -shutting down production.

They not only have superior transmission products, they have a Superior product line. You push what you want, but don't tell us what's bad when you are this clueless.

Also, those who worked for a certain manufacturer can be prejudice, and are the majority of time.

The facts lie with real time users and comments from the past.
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Just keeping the facts straight
Yea right. Now you know, try learning from it Dexter.
 
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Old May 4, 2012 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jbrew
Because it works.

For real people, forum users, out in the field.

You can read a label, not understand it and twist it to our liking.

Just what this forum needs. Someone passing on BAD info.
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All the users backing it can't be wrong and neither can seeing it for myself.

There's nothing wrong with Amsoil products. Stands up in colder climates as well. They're grease is the only product we can use sub zero. It doesn't freeze up, -shutting down production.

They not only have superior transmission products, they have a Superior product line. You push what you want, but don't tell us what's bad when you are this clueless.

Also, those who worked for a certain manufacturer can be prejudice, and are the majority of time.

The facts lie with real time users and comments from the past.
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Yea right. Now you know, try learning from it Dexter.
"Mr. Madison, what you just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in you incoherent rambling response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. We are all now dumber for having had listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

 

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Old May 4, 2012 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by EsJayEs
"Mr. Madison, what you just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in you incoherent rambling response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. We are all now dumber for having had listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

So, you want me to dumb it down for yuh ? I thought I did that for you.

What's God and souls have to do with trans fluid ?

Yea, your getting a little off topic there chief. Getting you forums mixed up. You must preach allot.
 

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