Hi Mark

Tks. for past a/t info. a/t used with the PSD is a HD one etc.

Just need clarification...Is the "4R100" used with both engines 5.4L/V10 same or different? This would be for a 02/3 SD. model.

Would the V10 a/t be a heavier duty- VS- 5.4L?

TIA....OT HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL

BTW...not decided yet..but leaning towards V/10 VS PSD. Actually i need bigger truck but still have concerns with the "4R100". My GCWR (tow) will be no where near max. ratings. Hopefully that'll be a plus? Tks to you/FT and others for all the helpful info.

 

I think the V10 uses a few more clutch plates than the 5.4L. Factory Tech would know that for sure.

I have a 2002 Econoline Wagon with a V10/4R100. It will be towing my 9000 pound trailer when it gets a bit warmer around here.

 

Hi Mark maybe FactoryT. will see this thread.

Have you towed your TT yet? If so, how did it go?

Tks. OT

 

I haven't towed with this van yet.

I had an almost identical van in 2000. I towed quite a bit with it. It towed very well. I averaged about 9-10 MPG towing at 60-62 MPH.

 

The diesels use more plates in the reverse and the direct clutch, and the Overdrive clutch, the V-10 gets the extra plate in the OD only, and the Lightning gets the extra OD plate. The diesels get 6 gear cast iron plant carriers as do the Lightnings, most of the gas units excect the PTO models get either 3 (V8) or 4 (V-10) gear aluminum carriers. the PTO gets the 6 gear cast iron. There are 3 different accumulators, the 2V 5.4 gets a 47% Lmod gain, the 4V 5.4, 6.8 and 7.3 diesel get 58% and the Lightning gets 66%, this controls shift duration, or how hard it shifts. The more power, the more Lmod pressure boost you need, shorter duration is easier on the clutch plates and reduces fluid temperature, but the shifts feel harder.

There are I think 31 models of 4R100, well more like 25now, the diesels are pretty much done except service parts, but in general that's the difference between the models.

Hope this helps,

G

 

Hi Mark/FT

Tks. for info. At least the a/t for V10 is abit stronger.

Say...how can i get that PSD a/t behind a V10?

OT

 

It's easy.

Buy all the parts needed, teardown the V10 transmission, and reassemble with the new hardware. Piece of cake!

Also be ready for some firm shifts. The extra clutch plates will make it shift fairly firm!

 

So, If I order the PTO option (code 62R) will I get a stronger tranny?

 

a few builders make a stronger than stock 4R100, I build some for Lightnings that will go in any V-10 Superduty escept the PTOs (they'll go with different linkage)



And yes, the PTO is stronger than a standard V-10 unit.

I can also build a PTO Monster Box, add $500 for the PTO case.

G

 

Hi V10

Good question on PTO. Got me to thinking.

Under 03 options...its listed as "PTO provision"
OEM...but no price?

FT..if you see this...If PTO makes for a stronger a/t, even if you dont use it...would it be worthwhile...meaning would tranny hold up better under tow/haul conditions?

Never used PTO...just stronger a/t caught my attention.
OEM "pto provision" what does that mean?

Tks....OT

 

A PTO provision is a hole in the side of the transmission that allows you to mount a hydraulic pump to power accessories like a dump bed, hydraulic winch, salt spreader, etc.

If you never use it it won't cause any problems. There is a plate covering the hole.

You will get some stronger parts are Factory Tech explained above. I think it cost $200-$300.

 

Hi Mark

Tks. for info.

FT. refers to "pto" has stronger case. So if ordered from factroy OEM (not aftermarket) it also would be a stronger case and internal parts?

So...if stronger parts on inside...would it be reasonable to say that may help this a/t hold up better when tow/hauling? Or probably wouldn't make any difference?

I can see paying for "pto"...if theres a chance it might.

Tks.....OT

 

It's code 62R.. $213 invoice, $250 retail

 

The case isn't stronger. In fact I'd wager that the non-PTO case is stronger, because it is the same except it doesn't have the hole for the PTO.

I reread Factory Tech's post. I don't see where he said the case is stronger. He did say the PTO transmission has some stronger parts.

If you get a PTO transmission to get the beefier parts I can't say that it will last longer. It certainly wouldn't hurt!

 

Hi

You guys are quick.

Mark your right..geez! FT said $$$ for case.

Thats a fair statement you made. Hopefully ill have better luck with the "4R100" not so with my "4R70W" I know their different.
Getting a/t w/PTO..may/maynot be worth extra $$$.

Tks again. OT