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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by hllon4whls
Should just be toe that is out. Mine was way out. Alignment guy said it went back to perfect specs. Cost me $104 for alignment. I didnt shop around. Shop does good work and they were waiting for me. It was worth an extra $30-40 to get it done close, fast and right.
the camber would be out too, i would recomend an alignment with any suspension adjustments.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2010 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hllon4whls
Should just be toe that is out. Mine was way out. Alignment guy said it went back to perfect specs. Cost me $104 for alignment. I didnt shop around. Shop does good work and they were waiting for me. It was worth an extra $30-40 to get it done close, fast and right.
no, camber is also changed. everything is pushed down farther from the UCAs making them reach down farther to the spindle which throws the camber off. same with the tie rods
 
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Old Feb 22, 2010 | 10:25 PM
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I have the sky jacker 3" from jegs makes the truck look really nice slight sag in the back will be take care of soon but the AS is just as nice as the skyjacker and half the price
 
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Old Feb 23, 2010 | 12:11 AM
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alot of people will have camber off cause the upper control arm is at a different angle than factory. if they dont check the camber they are not really doing you justice. granted the toe will be off no matter what.

camber will be a negative offset and toe as well. both need a positive adjustment.
im glad some members finally back me up on this!. thanks guys.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2010 | 08:02 AM
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ok. here is the end result as applied to the catch in my giddy-up. after postin my dilema,i called h.b.s.and asked them as the kit nor online faq's mention anything other than the kit/exts. needed they said nope.just go get it alligned. so called a well known shop ,guy said bring it!!!! nearly all the specs. were right in wth factory.tow was good thnk the camber out a skoosh. tracked good right off the jack so i knew that was good b-4 re-allign. so out of box,mine needed no
'special'parts from a'special'shop so they could make more money.
now the comment about tow being off as a gimmie i beg to differ.you are not changing any dimentional relationship between the tie rod end the spindle.2wd.the suspension moves up and down anyways w/ or w/o the kit.just givn it a head start wth the kit.i did not remove the rack end ie;tie rod end.camber changes as upper arm inner pivot center to ball joint goemetry is chngd. due to steeper angle.ie;basicallt shortening the length of it. thats my 12grade education perspective.i even am blinded by my own science.
not writn a book but one last note.4wheel parts who said i needed to spend $140 for diff.cams,got a call frm me post allignmt.i askd why their guy wanted to sell me extra parts,answer was i seem to have a trk that falls into a 2% margin of not needing those parts aftr all. wow!i'm special!says each trk is diff. B.S.!!!if thats the case we are all just waisting r time as our trks are all diffrnt right off the ***. line. how the hell do they make parts for all those diff. ones? lol DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!
 
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Old Feb 23, 2010 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by transford
now the comment about tow being off as a gimmie i beg to differ.you are not changing any dimentional relationship between the tie rod end the spindle.2wd.the suspension moves up and down anyways w/ or w/o the kit.just givn it a head start wth the kit.i did not remove the rack end ie;tie rod end.camber changes as upper arm inner pivot center to ball joint goemetry is chngd. due to steeper angle.ie;basicallt shortening the length of it. thats my 12grade education perspective.i even am blinded by my own science.
The tierods are changed. They're essentially shortened just like the upper arms. It doesnt make any sense that you could stuff a couple inches of metal in there, pushin gthe hub down, and not effect the tierods
 
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Old Feb 23, 2010 | 09:47 PM
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X2! as the lower control arm goes down with the level installed, the spindle goes down the same amount. the tie rod end that bolts to the spindle moves down with it. the tie rod end is sorta "shortened" by lowering the mount at the farthest end. kinda like bump steer. thats why you have to adjust the toe by lengthening (adjusting to make longer) the tie rod.

if your not adjusting your camber and toe after altering the ride height in any way up or down your either not helping the longevity of your tires or it was off to begin with. it might be slight adjustments but they need to be done.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2010 | 06:44 PM
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Hey Guys,

So I just got a quote from 4Wheel Parts for a leveling kit. They recommend the pro-comp kit for my 2006 F150 FX4 SuperCrew, which is currently on sale for $183.99. They said I would need a set of alignment cams to go with this to get my alignment back in specification. The alignment cams are $82. Install of the leveling kit is $170 and a wheel alignment is $127.50. SOOOOO for $563.49 before tax for everything...seems way to much to me just for a leveling kit. Thoughts???
 
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Old Mar 10, 2010 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by neilh31
Hey Guys,

So I just got a quote from 4Wheel Parts for a leveling kit. They recommend the pro-comp kit for my 2006 F150 FX4 SuperCrew, which is currently on sale for $183.99. They said I would need a set of alignment cams to go with this to get my alignment back in specification. The alignment cams are $82. Install of the leveling kit is $170 and a wheel alignment is $127.50. SOOOOO for $563.49 before tax for everything...seems way to much to me just for a leveling kit. Thoughts???
auto spring, and as established in the previous 21 entries on this thread no special alignment parts are needed, as also said previously, the front end alignment is all that is needed to correct and camber issues caused by the additional suspension material

also at one of he priciest shops in my area and i mean these guys are high on just about everything, but they do execelent work they charged

$235.00 to
-install leveling kit, (sky jacker from jegs like 129.95 or somthing)
-perform front end alignment, (dealer 89.95)
-dismount factory wheels and remove factory TPMS
- mount and ballance and reinstall TPMS on my new wheels and tires (i put on 33" and they said they charge extra for oversized tires)
- and when my truck was in the shop they got grease on my seat some how so prior to my pick up they sent it out to be detailed, at another place that imo charges out the a** for the work they do, so that being said i again should bump the tag that 4WHEEL PARTS SUCKS, I recomend autoanything.com best of luck.
 

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Old Mar 10, 2010 | 07:40 PM
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Thanks dirtyd09stx. I was just curious as to what others were paying and had a feeling that 4Wheel was overcharging. I will definitely stay away from them. Thanks for the parts breakdown for your setup. That helps a lot.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2010 | 07:57 PM
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I payed 300 for a local shop to install a readylift and alignment, great work and I love to help out the local shops so I dont mind paying a little extra
 
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Old Mar 10, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by neilh31
Thanks dirtyd09stx. I was just curious as to what others were paying and had a feeling that 4Wheel was overcharging. I will definitely stay away from them. Thanks for the parts breakdown for your setup. That helps a lot.
not a problem , glad to help good luck.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dirtyd09stx
auto spring, and as established in the previous 21 entries on this thread no special alignment parts are needed, as also said previously, the front end alignment is all that is needed to correct and camber issues caused by the additional suspension material
auto spring is great. i know you mentioned trucks not needing the camber kits but one thing to mention is some do, but majority dont to meet the factory specs. thanks dirtyd for the list you posted.

on another note, 4wheel parts will be a big name and will have the parts you need but damn will they be expensive!!! put it this way neilh31, i paid $69 for hell bent steel levels shipped, installed myself and paid $79 for alignment. thats total of $148 (151 with tax) plus 2 hours of my labor. almost 4 times less!

i would skip the 4wheel parts entire part of the equation.
 
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