Angry at Ford!!!!!
Senior Member
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 1,002
Likes: 0
From: Oregon
First off I feel for you.
Now for reality. less then half of 1% off the best selling truck in the US has had this problem since 1997 (the intro of the torsion bar on the f150 and f250LD). That is a very small amount.
Now, 90% of those 1997+ truck have the door cracks. This is a proven problem with no solution, recall and hardly a TSB about it now for 4 years.
So what do you want Ford to do? Did you buy the extended warranty? I bet you wish you had now! I am sure you were offered cause that is where the dealerships make their money.
Hell, lets all sue Ford now cause the door crack will cause the door to rust and we may fall out the door once it rust off! Damn, get real. Be happy that you were not driving.
l8r
Now for reality. less then half of 1% off the best selling truck in the US has had this problem since 1997 (the intro of the torsion bar on the f150 and f250LD). That is a very small amount.
Now, 90% of those 1997+ truck have the door cracks. This is a proven problem with no solution, recall and hardly a TSB about it now for 4 years.
So what do you want Ford to do? Did you buy the extended warranty? I bet you wish you had now! I am sure you were offered cause that is where the dealerships make their money.
Hell, lets all sue Ford now cause the door crack will cause the door to rust and we may fall out the door once it rust off! Damn, get real. Be happy that you were not driving.
l8r
Thread Starter
|
Banned Troll
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
Why is it that if someone dares to be critical of Ford the people on this board attack that person. All I have to say to that is I hope your wife is driving your piece of ***** Ford when the torsion bar breaks and the truck with her and your kids in it goes over a cliff and they get killed. Don't cry to me. I warned you loosers. Just look at some of your profiles. Get a real job and get out of your mommys house.
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 1,506
Likes: 0
From: Bakersfield, CA, USA
Could you please quote the personal attacks made toward you in this thread? I must have missed them.
Maybe you don't understand what the words 'personal attack' mean. Just like you obviously don't understand words like 'warranty' and 'owner's responsibility'.
Thanks for your concern about our families and for leaving no doubt as to what kind of man you are.
Maybe you don't understand what the words 'personal attack' mean. Just like you obviously don't understand words like 'warranty' and 'owner's responsibility'.
Thanks for your concern about our families and for leaving no doubt as to what kind of man you are.
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,116
Likes: 3
From: Houston, by way of every major city in America.
Geez,what a loser. Steve? Can you kill this guy please? LOL,,,,98
TROLLER ALERT! TROLLER ALERT!
------------------
98 F-150 4.6 Litre XLT2wd Ext. cab
Yokahama AVS/ST's
prarie tan/tan int.
K/N gen.II fipk
custom dual exh/gibson rectangle tips/rear exiting.
color matched snuglid
Superchip!!!
Clear front corners
Stillen Quad light air dam,Sweet!!
Euro taillights
Cobra 75WXST cb w/weather alert
[b]Kenwood cd w/Radio Shack speakers,don't laugh it sounds pretty good
Viper alarm
On the way/wheels,tires, etc..etc.......
the monochromatic boogie is done,cool!.
Come see my new pictures@ www.my-f150.com
officialtomwaits.com
reverendhortonheat.com
WOW,what a cool site!
FENDER GUITARS ROCK!!!
TROLLER ALERT! TROLLER ALERT!
------------------
98 F-150 4.6 Litre XLT2wd Ext. cab
Yokahama AVS/ST's
prarie tan/tan int.
K/N gen.II fipk
custom dual exh/gibson rectangle tips/rear exiting.
color matched snuglid
Superchip!!!
Clear front corners
Stillen Quad light air dam,Sweet!!
Euro taillights
Cobra 75WXST cb w/weather alert
[b]Kenwood cd w/Radio Shack speakers,don't laugh it sounds pretty good
Viper alarm
On the way/wheels,tires, etc..etc.......
the monochromatic boogie is done,cool!.
Come see my new pictures@ www.my-f150.com
officialtomwaits.com
reverendhortonheat.com
WOW,what a cool site!
FENDER GUITARS ROCK!!!
Member
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
From: SloCal
Ask around about Dodge quality and you`ll appreciate your Ford. A few of my buddies made the mistake of buying Dodge`s. They have had NOTHING but problems since day one. My buddy is a Dodge service manager and has a Chevy =)
Ryan
------------------
2001 5.4
Ryan
------------------
2001 5.4
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
From: Capo Beach, Ca.
FastDEW,
I'm not going to attack you... but if you know almost exactly when parts are going to fail and use that argument to support the claim that this torsion bar broke of it's own volition while sitting still in a driveway... how do you explain the vast majority of trucks that do not have this happen to them? Do these trucks have torsion bars with different timing mechanisms or something?!
A warranty is a warranty and they ALL have limits, even the "lifetime" ones. Suck it up and drive on!
I'm not going to attack you... but if you know almost exactly when parts are going to fail and use that argument to support the claim that this torsion bar broke of it's own volition while sitting still in a driveway... how do you explain the vast majority of trucks that do not have this happen to them? Do these trucks have torsion bars with different timing mechanisms or something?!
A warranty is a warranty and they ALL have limits, even the "lifetime" ones. Suck it up and drive on!
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
From: Capo Beach, Ca.
so you're saying that Ford runs it's business just like every other big business in America and probably the world then. So let's be mad at everybody then, not just Ford! I guess that's my point... It's the world we live in. Deal with it.
Technical Article Contributor
Joined: Dec 1997
Posts: 9,417
Likes: 11
From: Windsor,Ontario,Canada
lisicag,
I agree with you that Ford should pick up the tab. They will not unless you get off your duff and do something about it. There have been a few good suggestions so start with them. Now how dare Ford go around advertizing Built Ford Tuff etc.. and have an important component like the T-bar fail. BS Ford, you suck on this one....
Now here we all are strutting our stuff on how great our trucks are and when a fellow member has a problem and we tell him to more less ******* off and live with it. If we are all so tight together then we should rally behind our friend and push Ford to do something. Were any of you around when the First person complained about the lug nuts. I was and the same *******ing thing happened. Finally a recall. Cut the guy some slack... He is one of us!
One last thing, what do you think would happen if all 10,000+ of the members went to their Dealer and told them that this was the last Ford unless something was done for lisicag?
Kindest regards
Jean Marc Chartier
------------------
00 F-150 XLT SC Flairside 4x4 4.6 w/5spd 3.55LSD
Warn XD9000i, skid plates, Draw tite class III,
Rancho RSX Reflex shocks, MAC 8.8 Axle Girdle
BFG 285/75 R16 MTs,
Borla Cat Back, Headman Headers,
Custom air intake system with modified
air box, Ported Throttle body,
Shortened MAF sensor tower,
K&N air filter,
Superchips
I agree with you that Ford should pick up the tab. They will not unless you get off your duff and do something about it. There have been a few good suggestions so start with them. Now how dare Ford go around advertizing Built Ford Tuff etc.. and have an important component like the T-bar fail. BS Ford, you suck on this one....
Now here we all are strutting our stuff on how great our trucks are and when a fellow member has a problem and we tell him to more less ******* off and live with it. If we are all so tight together then we should rally behind our friend and push Ford to do something. Were any of you around when the First person complained about the lug nuts. I was and the same *******ing thing happened. Finally a recall. Cut the guy some slack... He is one of us!
One last thing, what do you think would happen if all 10,000+ of the members went to their Dealer and told them that this was the last Ford unless something was done for lisicag?
Kindest regards
Jean Marc Chartier
------------------
00 F-150 XLT SC Flairside 4x4 4.6 w/5spd 3.55LSD
Warn XD9000i, skid plates, Draw tite class III,
Rancho RSX Reflex shocks, MAC 8.8 Axle Girdle
BFG 285/75 R16 MTs,
Borla Cat Back, Headman Headers,
Custom air intake system with modified
air box, Ported Throttle body,
Shortened MAF sensor tower,
K&N air filter,
Superchips
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
From: Capo Beach, Ca.
JMC... if this had happened within the warrantee limits, I'd be the first one to agree with lisicag! But it didn't, plain and simple... I'm reasonably sure that when he/she bought the truck, he/she knew the warrantee limits. I'm sure they even tried to sell the extended warrantee. He/she agreed to the limits in principle at the time the deal was made, as evidenced by purchasing the truck. To expect something for nothing now is ridiculous. (almost as ridiculous as the image of all of us marching off to our dealerships in mass protest!) I, for one, can't and won't support somebody when I believe they're wrong just to look like a nice guy (I really am, by the way!)
[This message has been edited by JonC (edited 03-09-2001).]
[This message has been edited by JonC (edited 03-09-2001).]
Technical Article Contributor
Joined: Dec 1997
Posts: 9,417
Likes: 11
From: Windsor,Ontario,Canada
JonC,
I didn't post this to come across as a nice guy. I can be the biggest Pri*k around when the time is right. I do expect the Torsion bar to last the useful life of the truck! What if the frames started breaking in half?
How long do you expect the frame to last? I don't expect bake pads to last, but the T-Bar? So if, say, 550,000 t-bars snapped after warranty would you would support a recall?
Regards
Jean Marc Chartier
I didn't post this to come across as a nice guy. I can be the biggest Pri*k around when the time is right. I do expect the Torsion bar to last the useful life of the truck! What if the frames started breaking in half?
How long do you expect the frame to last? I don't expect bake pads to last, but the T-Bar? So if, say, 550,000 t-bars snapped after warranty would you would support a recall?
Regards
Jean Marc Chartier
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
From: Capo Beach, Ca.
I certainly would, but we're talking apples and oranges here. 555,000 HAVEN'T broken here, one individual's did... I know, according to this same person hundreds if not thousands of trucks have had the same thing happen. Where are they?
I can appreciate the frustration having this happen, believe me. But where is the justification to blame this on Ford (or Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, whoever!) like it's some vast conspiracy to screw the consumer? I don't see it.
I've owned a lot of vehicles in my lifetime and I've had things break, under warranty and after it expired. I have never failed to have something fixed to my satisfaction under warranty, but I have also never even tried to get the dealer to pay for something after the warranty expired. I knew the deal when I drove it off the lot... and so did lisicag, I'd bet! I know, I know... everybody does not think the same and believe me, I'm glad about that. I'm merely stating my opinion, just as you are. It's a very strong opinion and it's not likely to change. I wish no ill to lisicag, you or anybody else here. I just have a hard time understanding people who EXPECT something other than what they bargained for. (with the possible exception of the extreme hypothetical you mentioned in your last post)
On that note, this will be all I have to say on the subject. I'm sure your opinions are equally as strong.
Regards to you too!
-JonC-
I can appreciate the frustration having this happen, believe me. But where is the justification to blame this on Ford (or Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, whoever!) like it's some vast conspiracy to screw the consumer? I don't see it.
I've owned a lot of vehicles in my lifetime and I've had things break, under warranty and after it expired. I have never failed to have something fixed to my satisfaction under warranty, but I have also never even tried to get the dealer to pay for something after the warranty expired. I knew the deal when I drove it off the lot... and so did lisicag, I'd bet! I know, I know... everybody does not think the same and believe me, I'm glad about that. I'm merely stating my opinion, just as you are. It's a very strong opinion and it's not likely to change. I wish no ill to lisicag, you or anybody else here. I just have a hard time understanding people who EXPECT something other than what they bargained for. (with the possible exception of the extreme hypothetical you mentioned in your last post)
On that note, this will be all I have to say on the subject. I'm sure your opinions are equally as strong.
Regards to you too!
-JonC-
Senior Member
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 1,002
Likes: 0
From: Oregon
I totally agree with JMC.
Get over it! Ford is likely to do NOTHING for you. Be glad you were not driving when this happened!
As to the warranty, once it is over, you are on your own. Even if the wheels fall off, the doors crack, torsion bars break in half. That is just life! If you dont like being on your own, buy another new truck and get a longer warranty next time. This is why they almost FORCE you to buy an extended warranty on any new or used car/truck purchase. You obviously thought your chances were better without the extended warranty. And you knew if something went out after the warranty you would have to pay for it. So whip out the cash and go get it fixed. Dont waste bandwidth complaining about it.
Oh yeah, and how many torsion bars have broken? I can count on my 2 hands how many different people I have seen post that it happened on this board. So less than 10 in the 4 years and millions of F150s sold with the torsion bar suspension! Damn, sounds like a serious issue! Sue Ford why dont you and the NTSB and everyone on this board since we dont side with you!
Get over it! Ford is likely to do NOTHING for you. Be glad you were not driving when this happened!
As to the warranty, once it is over, you are on your own. Even if the wheels fall off, the doors crack, torsion bars break in half. That is just life! If you dont like being on your own, buy another new truck and get a longer warranty next time. This is why they almost FORCE you to buy an extended warranty on any new or used car/truck purchase. You obviously thought your chances were better without the extended warranty. And you knew if something went out after the warranty you would have to pay for it. So whip out the cash and go get it fixed. Dont waste bandwidth complaining about it.
Oh yeah, and how many torsion bars have broken? I can count on my 2 hands how many different people I have seen post that it happened on this board. So less than 10 in the 4 years and millions of F150s sold with the torsion bar suspension! Damn, sounds like a serious issue! Sue Ford why dont you and the NTSB and everyone on this board since we dont side with you!