From Dealer - 5w30 is fine!
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n6van:
If nobody gives a rat's *** then why are some of you continuing to post on this thread? You ask me questions. I answer them and then you don't like my answers.
Typical liberals. I must have hit a nerve with the "environmmentalist wackos strung out on dope" line. Now it all makes sense.
Let's get back to trucks and not your petty emotional hangups.
klooger
If nobody gives a rat's *** then why are some of you continuing to post on this thread? You ask me questions. I answer them and then you don't like my answers.
Typical liberals. I must have hit a nerve with the "environmmentalist wackos strung out on dope" line. Now it all makes sense.
Let's get back to trucks and not your petty emotional hangups.
klooger
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n6van:
Sorry. I forgot to add.........
Unless those two vehicles of yours in your driveway are tax free and have no plates or titles then my $33,000 stands. I bought mine on X-plan. It would figure that you libs don't include taxes - "that's not our money....it's the government's."
Yeah right!
Peace dude.
klooger
Sorry. I forgot to add.........
Unless those two vehicles of yours in your driveway are tax free and have no plates or titles then my $33,000 stands. I bought mine on X-plan. It would figure that you libs don't include taxes - "that's not our money....it's the government's."
Yeah right!
Peace dude.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by RamblinWreck:
That's "solace", meaning consolation, and I don't need either solace or consolation. I'm very happy. Yeah, I do treat my baby like a Queen, so what, I can afford it, and besides, I've done it with all my cars since my first - a used "62 VW.
FYI higher octane grades of fuel are cleaner in most cases, and may be a tiny bit better for the system, but I have to run premium due to the superchip anyway. The best stuff is the 100 Octane low-lead they still run in airplanes (if you had a vintage streetrod w/ no cats), but 93 is plenty fine in the modern 5.4L. Unless I had my old hemi 'cuda. Sigh....
Ain't this thread dead yet?
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That's "solace", meaning consolation, and I don't need either solace or consolation. I'm very happy. Yeah, I do treat my baby like a Queen, so what, I can afford it, and besides, I've done it with all my cars since my first - a used "62 VW.
FYI higher octane grades of fuel are cleaner in most cases, and may be a tiny bit better for the system, but I have to run premium due to the superchip anyway. The best stuff is the 100 Octane low-lead they still run in airplanes (if you had a vintage streetrod w/ no cats), but 93 is plenty fine in the modern 5.4L. Unless I had my old hemi 'cuda. Sigh....
Ain't this thread dead yet?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by klooger:
TroyK:
Since you are obviously going to stick around a lot longer than your 5w20 will then let me share something else with you bud.
On my Riviera and Reatta, both with almost 200,000 miles on them I changed the Mobil 1 only after driving it 15,000 miles. Yes, that's right, 15,000 miles. I would only change the filter and add make-up oil when I rotated the tires. I pretty much changed my oil two, maybe, three times per year. Talk about cost effective.........
And I'll bet the oil I pulled out after 15,000 would outperform your virgin 5w20.
I probably won't go that long with my truck though - 10,000 miles should do.
Now put that in your oil pan and smoke it.
The next thing you're going to tell me is that you leased your truck for 24 months........
klooger
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TroyK:
Since you are obviously going to stick around a lot longer than your 5w20 will then let me share something else with you bud.
On my Riviera and Reatta, both with almost 200,000 miles on them I changed the Mobil 1 only after driving it 15,000 miles. Yes, that's right, 15,000 miles. I would only change the filter and add make-up oil when I rotated the tires. I pretty much changed my oil two, maybe, three times per year. Talk about cost effective.........
And I'll bet the oil I pulled out after 15,000 would outperform your virgin 5w20.
I probably won't go that long with my truck though - 10,000 miles should do.
Now put that in your oil pan and smoke it.
The next thing you're going to tell me is that you leased your truck for 24 months........
klooger
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klooger,
so what! i guy i work with has a cutlass cierra with 260k miles and he has used nothing but plain old pennzoil 10w30 in it. engine has never been torn apart...
btw, do you realize that ford still specifies changing your oil according to their routine maintenance plan interval, even if you are using synthetic oil? just another way you are voiding your warranty...
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there was an article a couple years ago in cr that talked about the different types of oils. if i remember right, cr put several different oils in nyc taxis and then tore each of em apart after they'd been driven 70k miles. i'm gonna have to find this report and then check back in...
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LOL !
Thanks everyone for the great entertainment! If this thread were any more fun to watch, they'd have to make it a controlled substance! HAAA !
This topic seems to run a regular cycle and the comments/counter comments get funnier everytime.
If there is one sure way to get an argument started, start talking to anyone who cares at all about their truck/car and what oil they use and off you go.
I mentioned to a friend who recently bought an F-150 that the recommended oil was 5W20 and WHAMO, I got a five minute engineering class on polymers and how he didn't care what Ford said, he was going to run 5W30 because it 'Sticks' better to the metal.
My two cents, I've Never heard of a warranty issue come down to the weight of oil being used in a vehicle. Not changing it or running on low oil maybe. I think you could run on any of the weights/types being discussed here and as long as you have documentation that demonstrates that you changed the oil at regular intervals, you'd be fine. The fact that the Ford Dealerships themselves continue to put 5W30 in these trucks I think speaks for itself.
Now, having said that I'll weigh in:
Based on my past experience, I'll be running Mobil 1 5W30 at my next oil change (4000 miles). There have been comments doubting the superior nature of synthetic oils but if you do some research you'll find that Mobil 1 far exceeds dino-oil for lubrication and tolerance of extreme temperatures. Whether or not it is money well spent is another issue. Using regular oil at regular intervals will provide all required protection, no doubt.
I've seen pictures of the insides of motors after tens of thousands of miles and the Mobil 1 engines are remarkably clean. Also, I've seen many times the Mobil 1 oil drained from my other vehicles and it comes out looking much cleaner that conventional oil.
So, no I don't do things like run premium gas just to feel better about taking care of my truck. But given the total amount of money I spend making truck/insurance/gas payments, spending the very few extra bucks every 3000 miles or so on premium oil is not even on the radar scope. For crying out loud, it costs almost 50 bucks in some places right now just to fill up with gas one time !! Right ??
Well I wish I had something more inflamatory to say right now so that other forum members could start taking pot shots at me, but I'll have to leave that to the comedians. hehe
Thanks everyone for the great entertainment! If this thread were any more fun to watch, they'd have to make it a controlled substance! HAAA !
This topic seems to run a regular cycle and the comments/counter comments get funnier everytime.
If there is one sure way to get an argument started, start talking to anyone who cares at all about their truck/car and what oil they use and off you go.
I mentioned to a friend who recently bought an F-150 that the recommended oil was 5W20 and WHAMO, I got a five minute engineering class on polymers and how he didn't care what Ford said, he was going to run 5W30 because it 'Sticks' better to the metal.
My two cents, I've Never heard of a warranty issue come down to the weight of oil being used in a vehicle. Not changing it or running on low oil maybe. I think you could run on any of the weights/types being discussed here and as long as you have documentation that demonstrates that you changed the oil at regular intervals, you'd be fine. The fact that the Ford Dealerships themselves continue to put 5W30 in these trucks I think speaks for itself.
Now, having said that I'll weigh in:
Based on my past experience, I'll be running Mobil 1 5W30 at my next oil change (4000 miles). There have been comments doubting the superior nature of synthetic oils but if you do some research you'll find that Mobil 1 far exceeds dino-oil for lubrication and tolerance of extreme temperatures. Whether or not it is money well spent is another issue. Using regular oil at regular intervals will provide all required protection, no doubt.
I've seen pictures of the insides of motors after tens of thousands of miles and the Mobil 1 engines are remarkably clean. Also, I've seen many times the Mobil 1 oil drained from my other vehicles and it comes out looking much cleaner that conventional oil.
So, no I don't do things like run premium gas just to feel better about taking care of my truck. But given the total amount of money I spend making truck/insurance/gas payments, spending the very few extra bucks every 3000 miles or so on premium oil is not even on the radar scope. For crying out loud, it costs almost 50 bucks in some places right now just to fill up with gas one time !! Right ??
Well I wish I had something more inflamatory to say right now so that other forum members could start taking pot shots at me, but I'll have to leave that to the comedians. hehe
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DesertDog...Well said! After reading your post, I might even consider using Mobil 1. Thanks for the INTELLIGENT explanation!
Klooger...Here's to many happy miles with your SCrew!
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Klooger...Here's to many happy miles with your SCrew!
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Desert Dog,
Another one for the good guys from Arizona!
If you want to start another argument, just ask everybody what brand of diapers they use to wipe off their favorite brand of wax !
Sorry everyone that was a cheap shot, but, I've just had one of those weeks and I had to get that off my chest.
Is the perception of difference in price and quality of oil really worth all this bickering?
How about everybody just using what they're comfortable with (in regards to longevity, quality, warranty, etc.) and stop slamming each other. This is starting to resemble that other E****d's site where most of the posts are people abusing each other.
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3.55LS, Class III, Cargo Cage, DRLs, A.R.E. LS II, etc....
Another one for the good guys from Arizona!If you want to start another argument, just ask everybody what brand of diapers they use to wipe off their favorite brand of wax !
Sorry everyone that was a cheap shot, but, I've just had one of those weeks and I had to get that off my chest.
Is the perception of difference in price and quality of oil really worth all this bickering?
How about everybody just using what they're comfortable with (in regards to longevity, quality, warranty, etc.) and stop slamming each other. This is starting to resemble that other E****d's site where most of the posts are people abusing each other.
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2001 F150 4X2 XLT Supercrew, D.Wedgewood Blue, 5.4,
3.55LS, Class III, Cargo Cage, DRLs, A.R.E. LS II, etc....
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Parktek:
Desert Dog,
Another one for the good guys from Arizona!
If you want to start another argument, just ask everybody what brand of diapers they use to wipe off their favorite brand of wax !
Sorry everyone that was a cheap shot, but, I've just had one of those weeks and I had to get that off my chest.
Is the perception of difference in price and quality of oil really worth all this bickering?
How about everybody just using what they're comfortable with (in regards to longevity, quality, warranty, etc.) and stop slamming each other. This is starting to resemble that other E****d's site where most of the posts are people abusing each other.
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Desert Dog,
Another one for the good guys from Arizona!If you want to start another argument, just ask everybody what brand of diapers they use to wipe off their favorite brand of wax !
Sorry everyone that was a cheap shot, but, I've just had one of those weeks and I had to get that off my chest.
Is the perception of difference in price and quality of oil really worth all this bickering?
How about everybody just using what they're comfortable with (in regards to longevity, quality, warranty, etc.) and stop slamming each other. This is starting to resemble that other E****d's site where most of the posts are people abusing each other.
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Sorry Everybody,
This thread was sounding as though it was getting a bit too serious.........
Just a feeble attempt on my part to inject a little humor !
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2001 F150 4X2 XLT Supercrew, D.Wedgewood Blue, 5.4,
3.55LS, Class III, Cargo Cage, DRLs, A.R.E. LS II, etc....
This thread was sounding as though it was getting a bit too serious.........
Just a feeble attempt on my part to inject a little humor !
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2001 F150 4X2 XLT Supercrew, D.Wedgewood Blue, 5.4,
3.55LS, Class III, Cargo Cage, DRLs, A.R.E. LS II, etc....
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folks,
i mentioned in a previous post that i was gonna try to find that cr story on oil type usage in nyc taxis. well, i just got back from the library and had no luck. the old cr issues only went back to 1999. apparently that test was done previous to 1999.
btw, my s-crew oil cap says 5w20 on it. thought that was interesting since some of you say your oil cap doesn't say anything, other than having a picture of an oil can!
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i mentioned in a previous post that i was gonna try to find that cr story on oil type usage in nyc taxis. well, i just got back from the library and had no luck. the old cr issues only went back to 1999. apparently that test was done previous to 1999.
btw, my s-crew oil cap says 5w20 on it. thought that was interesting since some of you say your oil cap doesn't say anything, other than having a picture of an oil can!
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That Consumer Report motor oil test with the NYC taxi cabs was in the July 1996 issue. Their bottom line recommendation: "Even the expensive synthetics worked no better than conventional motor oils in our taxi tests, but they're worth considering for extreme driving conditions - high ambient temperatures and high engine load or very cold temperatures."
Interpret as you will. As far as I'm concerned, southern California freeway combat in the summer time qualifies as extreme, so it's Mobil 1 for me.
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Interpret as you will. As far as I'm concerned, southern California freeway combat in the summer time qualifies as extreme, so it's Mobil 1 for me.
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2001 SuperCrew XLT 4x2, 5.4 L, Bright Red/Medium Graphite, Power Captain's Chairs, 3.55 Limited Slip, Trailer Tow Pkg, Cab Steps, Bed Extender, 6-Disc CD, Keyless Remote, Line-X Sprayed-On Bedliner, Lund Trident Bug Deflector, AirForce One Intake System, Roll-N-Lock V-Series Retractable Bed Cover, 20mm Autoloading Rotary Cannon (just kidding . . . ), Ordered 3/29/00, Serialized 5/11/00, Build Date 6/5/00, Delivered 6/27/00
Planned Mods: Out of money
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Several years ago I purchased two identical vehicles, Honda Accords. I realize that what I'm about to tell you is only one data point, but here's the story.
Two identical vehicles, at first oil change one vehicle was switched to MobilOne and the other continued with a non-synthetic lubricant. Why the test?....At the time, I was skeptical about synthetics, but my father-in-law worked for Mobil. You guessed it......my wife's car got MobilOne, mine got old faithful.
Both vehicles ran fine for over 100K, princess did all the recommended maintenance...tune-ups, etc. By the time mine got to 118,500 miles I hadn't even changed the spark plugs, but was faithful on oil changes - I traded it in at this point. My wife's car on the other-hand experienced engine failure at 107,000 miles. Just coincidence????.....I don't know. In no way am I insinuating that MobilOne or any other synthetic, is a bad product.
I am a believer that specifications and tolerances are established for a reason. In the case of engine lubrication, I'm willing to bet there are more reasons than we might care to hear about. I think alot of serious consideration went into specifying 5W20...today's engines, etc. are damn complex, I doubt it was some guy saying "hey, let's put in 5W20 to improve fuel economy .75%", the engine also had to be designed and toleranced for this.
Just my 2+ cents.....
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Two identical vehicles, at first oil change one vehicle was switched to MobilOne and the other continued with a non-synthetic lubricant. Why the test?....At the time, I was skeptical about synthetics, but my father-in-law worked for Mobil. You guessed it......my wife's car got MobilOne, mine got old faithful.
Both vehicles ran fine for over 100K, princess did all the recommended maintenance...tune-ups, etc. By the time mine got to 118,500 miles I hadn't even changed the spark plugs, but was faithful on oil changes - I traded it in at this point. My wife's car on the other-hand experienced engine failure at 107,000 miles. Just coincidence????.....I don't know. In no way am I insinuating that MobilOne or any other synthetic, is a bad product.
I am a believer that specifications and tolerances are established for a reason. In the case of engine lubrication, I'm willing to bet there are more reasons than we might care to hear about. I think alot of serious consideration went into specifying 5W20...today's engines, etc. are damn complex, I doubt it was some guy saying "hey, let's put in 5W20 to improve fuel economy .75%", the engine also had to be designed and toleranced for this.
Just my 2+ cents.....
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2001 Supercrew XLT 4X4
BLACK, 4.6 EFI V8
3.55 LIMITED SLIP
POWER MOONROOF
SLIDING REAR WINDOW
DRAW-TITE TOW PKG.
DURA-LINER, TONNEAU COVER
LUVERNE STAINLESS STEP
LO-JACK SECURITY