the implication is there that one is better then the other. i was asking for comparison between the two.

 

There are arguments that one is better then the other, as far as the TUNERS stand point.

The end user really won't notice a difference.

SCT seems still be the cutting edge in the tuning department for hand held tuners.

 

Sorry, I still don't see the implication. There's a forum dedicated to Tuners, Chips and Programmers. There's no shortage of comparison discussions in there.

This is a supercharger forum and we're discussing programs for supercharger applications. It's not really a matter of which programmer is better, it's a matter of which tuner is better. In the case of superchargers, it's a matter of who tunes them and how good are they. There are a lot of different supercharger options. A tune for a supercharger has to be specific for the parts installed, because injectors, MAFs, have different operating specifications from stock parts and it's not a simple plug and play, select supercharger and go on your merry way.

All a programmer does is flash a new program over another. Some have more bells and whistles, some download faster than others, but their primary function is to put a new program in the PCM. Most programmers have tunes that are written in their own operating software. Here is where the differences are. If a tuner has access to those parameters in the software and knows what he's doing, that he can make a difference in how the vehicle performs.

Canned tunes are generally just a few tweaks for a stock program and some end user adjustment options. I doubt you'd notice significant differences between any of them. Custom tuning is what separates the tuners from the hacks. Most custom tuners generally operate on a single platform. The more talented tuners doing custom tunes for Ford supercharger applications use SCT or Diablo. I've not heard of gryphon tunes for superchargers. That's not to say they're not offered, but you'd have to find out. If they don't, you have no choice but to seek another programmer.

 

No need to be sorry (even if you're being sarcastic) im new to the whole tuner/ programmer thing and still get confused because i interchange the two terms with the same meaning. You clealy know what your talking about and i came here for knowledge and advice, not to ruffle feathers.

 

No feathers ruffled here. I think I'm taking what was said differently than you did. The Gryphon is a good product and there are a lot of folks happy with it. I'm just suggesting that if you are seeking information on tuners and programmers you'll find more information in the dedicated forum I mentioned. There's a big difference in tuning for a stock engine versus a supercharged application. I'm very familiar with SCT and probably unfairly biased toward it. Not having used other programmers, I couldn't give you a fair comparison. In my opinion, the hand held device (programmer) that flashes the PCM is only as good as the guy writing the tunes.

If you're looking for information and knowledge, I would recommend a custom tune over a canned tune, especially if you have mods. The difference in cost is not that great. Now it's up to you to decide what tuner you want to use and that will dictate what programmer you need. If you're looking for a recommendation there, I would contact VPM Tuning. Justin uses SCT products and has a reasonable turnaround and a great reputation. I understand the Edge has lots of displays. If that's your thing, give PHP a call. I personally would be a little nervous having something plugged into the diagnostic port all the time. But that's just me. My apologies to the OP for going so far off topic.

 

He data logs with wideband? He sends you a bung, sensor, and controller?

 

Here's what Bill with PHP posted in a thread in the Chips, Tuners and Programmer forums a while back.

That's why I suggested asking him if he would do your supercharger tune. It seems to me he doesn't based on that post.

 

^^^^This is a good point. I can remember when Troyer was the tuner du jour here, and so very few users would datalog with a/f's for retunes that it just fell out of style. lol I had a conversation with Mike back when and his first question was " Do I have the data on your truck?".......