Disappointed at the Dyno- Need Help!
You have to find out what will help you're set-up, some parts help and some parts hurt. when I started on my set-up I installed a Granetelli mas air and a different exhaust and it cost me big horsepower. After finding parts that did work together the tuner then makes the difference. It is possible that you're engine does not like the exhaust that you made, Modular engines do like a little back pressure.
A second thing is although you are not making huge HP gains you should also be making some 1/4 mile comparisons, as dino numbers are not a full representation of the trucks power. It may be much faster now especially with the nice torque gains that you were able to get from the mid range. In normal operation that is the RPM band that you are using, not the top end.
A second thing is although you are not making huge HP gains you should also be making some 1/4 mile comparisons, as dino numbers are not a full representation of the trucks power. It may be much faster now especially with the nice torque gains that you were able to get from the mid range. In normal operation that is the RPM band that you are using, not the top end.
Originally Posted by chucks bp
You have to find out what will help you're set-up, some parts help and some parts hurt. when I started on my set-up I installed a Granetelli mas air and a different exhaust and it cost me big horsepower. After finding parts that did work together the tuner then makes the difference. It is possible that you're engine does not like the exhaust that you made, Modular engines do like a little back pressure.
A second thing is although you are not making huge HP gains you should also be making some 1/4 mile comparisons, as dino numbers are not a full representation of the trucks power. It may be much faster now especially with the nice torque gains that you were able to get from the mid range. In normal operation that is the RPM band that you are using, not the top end.
A second thing is although you are not making huge HP gains you should also be making some 1/4 mile comparisons, as dino numbers are not a full representation of the trucks power. It may be much faster now especially with the nice torque gains that you were able to get from the mid range. In normal operation that is the RPM band that you are using, not the top end.
McDover, the problem you have now happened to me on the past.
What happened is that you lost a lot of boost when you install LT headers and the low restriction catback even adding the smaller pulley.
Get the 2" 7/8 pulley and you will see better gains.
The stock transmission can handle a lot more than you expect. I changed mine because i will make a lot more than 500RWHP. You didn't need the BAP, the stock pump is good for 500RWHP but as you stated, you are ready for future upgrades.
What headers did you install ? Did you customize them to 8X2 ? The 8X1 headers must be choking a lot of HP on your engine. Your truck is making real nice HP and TQ now and it deservers 8X2 headers. For less than $1000, it can be done.
Congratulations for the numbers, and the 30-40HP extra you are missing can be achieved just with the header work.
What happened is that you lost a lot of boost when you install LT headers and the low restriction catback even adding the smaller pulley.
Get the 2" 7/8 pulley and you will see better gains.
The stock transmission can handle a lot more than you expect. I changed mine because i will make a lot more than 500RWHP. You didn't need the BAP, the stock pump is good for 500RWHP but as you stated, you are ready for future upgrades.
What headers did you install ? Did you customize them to 8X2 ? The 8X1 headers must be choking a lot of HP on your engine. Your truck is making real nice HP and TQ now and it deservers 8X2 headers. For less than $1000, it can be done.
Congratulations for the numbers, and the 30-40HP extra you are missing can be achieved just with the header work.
Last edited by rafa26; Oct 29, 2006 at 11:03 AM.
Originally Posted by rafa26
McDover, the problem you have now happened to me on the past.
What happened is that you lost a lot of boost when you install LT headers and the low restriction catback even adding the smaller pulley.
Get the 2" 7/8 pulley and you will see better gains.
The stock transmission can handle a lot more than you expect. I changed mine because i will make a lot more than 500RWHP. You didn't need the BAP, the stock pump is good for 500RWHP but as you stated, you are ready for future upgrades.
What headers did you install ? Did you customize them to 8X2 ? The 8X1 headers must be choking a lot of HP on your engine. Your truck is making real nice HP and TQ now and it deservers 8X2 headers. For less than $1000, it can be done.
Congratulations for the numbers, and the 30-40HP extra you are missing can be achieved just with the header work.

What happened is that you lost a lot of boost when you install LT headers and the low restriction catback even adding the smaller pulley.
Get the 2" 7/8 pulley and you will see better gains.
The stock transmission can handle a lot more than you expect. I changed mine because i will make a lot more than 500RWHP. You didn't need the BAP, the stock pump is good for 500RWHP but as you stated, you are ready for future upgrades.
What headers did you install ? Did you customize them to 8X2 ? The 8X1 headers must be choking a lot of HP on your engine. Your truck is making real nice HP and TQ now and it deservers 8X2 headers. For less than $1000, it can be done.
Congratulations for the numbers, and the 30-40HP extra you are missing can be achieved just with the header work.
you said you feel a big gain, then why are you so worked up over what it says on paper. There are tons of factors involved, unless the dyno runs are dont back to back, and you do more then three then you can never know if that was an accurate reading. Hell even tire PSI could mean some powertrain loss.....
when my roomate had his camaro on the dyno for tuning, he had about a dozen runs before they knew they had everything perfect.
-Patrick
when my roomate had his camaro on the dyno for tuning, he had about a dozen runs before they knew they had everything perfect.
-Patrick
Originally Posted by rafa26
Do you have a pressure gauge in the truck ?
Do you have pictures of the custom headers work ?
Do you have pictures of the custom headers work ?
Originally Posted by Patman03SprCrw
you said you feel a big gain, then why are you so worked up over what it says on paper. There are tons of factors involved, unless the dyno runs are dont back to back, and you do more then three then you can never know if that was an accurate reading. Hell even tire PSI could mean some powertrain loss.....
when my roomate had his camaro on the dyno for tuning, he had about a dozen runs before they knew they had everything perfect.
-Patrick
when my roomate had his camaro on the dyno for tuning, he had about a dozen runs before they knew they had everything perfect.
-Patrick
Originally Posted by rafa26
Did you get the 4.56 gears ?
Originally Posted by mcdover
Nope. Got the 3.73's that came on the truck. Since I do a good bit of highway driving, I couldn't justify going up in gear and getting worse mileage than I do now.
Originally Posted by LowFast
Change in weather conditions? Original tune was way lean and unsafe, but made best power, they say the most power you will make is right before you blow it up. The numbers sound good and if it is safe I would be happy with it. Also, look at the curve, you may not have picked up much peak, but have a fatter overall power curve.
The new injectors and pump increased fuel flow for a safer tune, but didn't do anything to alter the airflow characteristics of your setup...so no significant change in power.
The rest of your setup looks good on paper. But things like a pulley change, exhaust work...the best way to see what works best for your setup is to make one change, log the results, then make another change. If you change several things at once, you can't tell if what gave you a gain and what potentially lost power.
Who knows...maybe the pulley was worth 40hp, but the exhaust lost 30hp...just speculation, but you have no way of knowing.
Good luck
Did you're tuner data log timing? Depending on other factors the timing may need to be changed. Other factors in the tune can change commanded timing and air fuel adjustments. You're air/fuels are where they should be that is evident by the wide band graph, but the computer could be pulling timing because of other factors. If timing was not logged I would see what it is actually doing.
As far as ET for a 6000# truck with 408 HP at the rear wheels My calculator predicts a 14.35 et at 95.89 mph. That's not shabby for 6000# with little aerodynamics.
As far as ET for a 6000# truck with 408 HP at the rear wheels My calculator predicts a 14.35 et at 95.89 mph. That's not shabby for 6000# with little aerodynamics.
Originally Posted by Jordan not Mike
I'm with LowFast on this one. Lean tunes make the most power but are not safe. You now have a safe tune.
The new injectors and pump increased fuel flow for a safer tune, but didn't do anything to alter the airflow characteristics of your setup...so no significant change in power.
The rest of your setup looks good on paper. But things like a pulley change, exhaust work...the best way to see what works best for your setup is to make one change, log the results, then make another change. If you change several things at once, you can't tell if what gave you a gain and what potentially lost power.
Who knows...maybe the pulley was worth 40hp, but the exhaust lost 30hp...just speculation, but you have no way of knowing.
Good luck
The new injectors and pump increased fuel flow for a safer tune, but didn't do anything to alter the airflow characteristics of your setup...so no significant change in power.
The rest of your setup looks good on paper. But things like a pulley change, exhaust work...the best way to see what works best for your setup is to make one change, log the results, then make another change. If you change several things at once, you can't tell if what gave you a gain and what potentially lost power.
Who knows...maybe the pulley was worth 40hp, but the exhaust lost 30hp...just speculation, but you have no way of knowing.
Good luck

What do you think about upgrading to a 95mm MAF? Other than doing some tranny work and maybe freeing up some of that massive drivetrain loss, any more suggestions?
Originally Posted by chucks bp
Did you're tuner data log timing? Depending on other factors the timing may need to be changed. Other factors in the tune can change commanded timing and air fuel adjustments. You're air/fuels are where they should be that is evident by the wide band graph, but the computer could be pulling timing because of other factors. If timing was not logged I would see what it is actually doing.
As far as ET for a 6000# truck with 408 HP at the rear wheels My calculator predicts a 14.35 et at 95.89 mph. That's not shabby for 6000# with little aerodynamics.
As far as ET for a 6000# truck with 408 HP at the rear wheels My calculator predicts a 14.35 et at 95.89 mph. That's not shabby for 6000# with little aerodynamics.
I'm sure he did. I'll call him tomorrow and check.



