Long Tube Headers question for Supercharger GURUS, help needed !
Originally Posted by brahmus
You don't have to be as concerned with freeflow unless you are trying to squeeze 1hp or so out of the system. There are a few Lightnings running over 500rwhp with stock exhaust and some even more with 2 of the 4 cats removed. I think straight pipes with no mufflers or X pipe is going to get annoying real quick. You wouldn't give up much if any hp.
I know will be crazy loud but what can i do ? I found some Race Series Magnaflow mufflers on their website and they say it won't hurt performance. Do you think i can use them to lower the noise and still don't raise the back pressure ?

http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/02race.asp
Last edited by rafa26; Aug 25, 2006 at 10:24 AM.
I think you need to pick up a few books on exhaust system design. You are trying to build a system based on some common misconceptions. I got a Mustang in my driveway making 680 rwhp with 1 5/8 shorty headers, high-flow cats, and magnaflow mufflers. You ever notice how 1200+ hp drag radial cars still have mufflers? They make MORE power with them. You need to figure out the terminal CFM you need to flow and find mufflers that allow for that mass flow. Exhaust flow is not laminar, there is more to it than backpressure.
Originally Posted by justjames80
I think you need to pick up a few books on exhaust system design. You are trying to build a system based on some common misconceptions. I got a Mustang in my driveway making 680 rwhp with 1 5/8 shorty headers, high-flow cats, and magnaflow mufflers. You ever notice how 1200+ hp drag radial cars still have mufflers? They make MORE power with them. You need to figure out the terminal CFM you need to flow and find mufflers that allow for that mass flow. Exhaust flow is not laminar, there is more to it than backpressure.
If it was on my truck I would run the longtubes and y-pipes like you have in your diagram. Run the straight sections to a x-pipe (Dr. Gas makes a few) then use a pair of oval center/center mufflers (14319 if you are running 3"). Have them welded together using some SS bar stock. You'll have more than enough capacity to run 600 rwhp and not overly loud. Also won't get a lot of that backflow popping that you hear on straight piped vehicles everytime the throttle is released.
JustJames80, don't know what you mean dude, if my headers are 8 to 1, as you can see on the picture, there is no palce to an X pipe as you suggested. To use an X pipe i would need a 4 to 2 headers. Confused.

That is what i have installed on the truck now, the other picture is just a project.
How i will use an X pipe here ???

That is what i have installed on the truck now, the other picture is just a project.
How i will use an X pipe here ???
Last edited by rafa26; Aug 25, 2006 at 01:24 PM.
Have an exhaust shop cut and separate the tubes where the y-pipe comes together like you have in your plan. Just imagine your plan, except where you have the straight pipes section noted, place an x-pipe and mufflers in there.
Hi guys, after a lot of research i decided to go with the Magnaflow 14386 as suggested by JUSTJAMES80 and ONELOWF. I would like to use an X pipe with 1 MAGNAPACK in each tube but Magnaflow stop their production.
I am almost sure the Magnaflow 14386 comes with an internal X pipe.
I will try to get a picture for the project. Thanks for all the help and comments.

I am almost sure the Magnaflow 14386 comes with an internal X pipe.
I will try to get a picture for the project. Thanks for all the help and comments.
Last edited by rafa26; Aug 26, 2006 at 10:48 PM.
Originally Posted by assasinator
woah hold one second here.
rafael you have to have 1 3/4 or larger headers to make the kind of power you want. 1 5/8 is marginal for N/A 5.4. i am going to fab 1 7/8" x 37" headers for mine. i cannot reach 500hp wothout them.
rafael you have to have 1 3/4 or larger headers to make the kind of power you want. 1 5/8 is marginal for N/A 5.4. i am going to fab 1 7/8" x 37" headers for mine. i cannot reach 500hp wothout them.
Originally Posted by madferraristi
I'm at about 550 using stock manifolds. I know I would have more with long tubes but such is life in the Golden State.




