Prochgarger too lean. what to do?
Prochgarger too lean. what to do?
01 F-150 XLT 4x4, 5.4 Procharged 9# boost, 42# inj., 90mm MAF, 3'' Flowmaster exhaust. I'm on the 2nd SCT tune download and my A/F is still at 15, too lean. It still has the stock in tank fuel pump along with the in line ATI pump. Do I really need to go to a 255 cfm pump? I'm also having some belt slippage around 4300 rpm. Any ideas out there?
Are you @ 15:1 during the whole pull? Or just uptop?...If your lean up top,then try a new fuel filter,if that dosent help youll need the larger intank pump and remove the noisy inline one from ati.That or its just the tune
As far as belt slip,I adjust my tensioner until the springs are fully compressed,and use the shortest non-gatorback belt I can fit on w/the tensioner outa the way.
In addition to that I also added another pulley on the bracket to get more belt wrap.

Good Luck!
Frank
As far as belt slip,I adjust my tensioner until the springs are fully compressed,and use the shortest non-gatorback belt I can fit on w/the tensioner outa the way.
In addition to that I also added another pulley on the bracket to get more belt wrap.

Good Luck!
Frank
Last edited by ganiman; Mar 16, 2006 at 06:57 PM.
Originally Posted by adt
01 F-150 XLT 4x4, 5.4 Procharged 9# boost, 42# inj., 90mm MAF, 3'' Flowmaster exhaust. I'm on the 2nd SCT tune download and my A/F is still at 15, too lean. It still has the stock in tank fuel pump along with the in line ATI pump. Do I really need to go to a 255 cfm pump? I'm also having some belt slippage around 4300 rpm. Any ideas out there? 

The AFR's were at 15.2 at cruise. At around 3200 rpm it drops to 10 and then levels out around 12 until the belt starts to slip. The guys at Pro Dyno in Tempe recomended adding another pulley to get more belt rap and maybe a larger in tank fuel pump.
I know you're right, but I guess this is a slow process. They're making small adjustments to the tune as we move along. After the first tune, I picked up about 25 hp. At this point I'm at 275 rwhp & 337 rwtq. I really hope to see 300 rwhp by the time we're done.
Even with a ballpark (non-dyno) tune from Mark Lancaster I was making well over 300 rwhp..around 330 actually. You don't need a fuel pump, just someone who knows how to tune. I'd send your A/F logs and chip to Mark as I'm sure he could get you a lot more power with no lean spots. As far as belt slippage...yeah that's just something you'll have to work on. I'd like to use those pullies like Frank has, Daycos, but I have no way of making spacers. Definately need the tightest belt you can get on without the tesioner though like already mentioned. It should be a PIA to get the belt on and you'll have to loosen a few of the idlers and exercise some arm muscles but that's the way it's supposed to be. I had bad belt slip when I went to a 12# pulley and mainly because I had the wrong size belt, loosing 3 psi after 4600 rpms.
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Originally Posted by justjames80
Even with a ballpark (non-dyno) tune from Mark Lancaster I was making well over 300 rwhp..around 330 actually. You don't need a fuel pump, just someone who knows how to tune. I'd send your A/F logs and chip to Mark as I'm sure he could get you a lot more power with no lean spots. As far as belt slippage...yeah that's just something you'll have to work on. I'd like to use those pullies like Frank has, Daycos, but I have no way of making spacers. Definately need the tightest belt you can get on without the tesioner though like already mentioned. It should be a PIA to get the belt on and you'll have to loosen a few of the idlers and exercise some arm muscles but that's the way it's supposed to be. I had bad belt slip when I went to a 12# pulley and mainly because I had the wrong size belt, loosing 3 psi after 4600 rpms.
Originally Posted by adt
330 rwhp is great but do you have a 4x4, & an auto transmission? The boys at Pro Dyno estimate a 30% loss through the drive train.
I am running nearly the same set up with a Powerdyne and only a 190 lph in the tank. My column mounted a/f gauge tells me that I am too rich, as low as 9.6, at anything more than about 1/4 throttle, with my first baseline tune.
I think you may have enough fuel available, need a better tune/tuner.
g luck
I thought 30% was a little high myself but what do I know. There does seem to be no difinative answer to that ? just speculation. Doesn't really matter anyway. RWHP & RWTQ is more important to me, it's just nice to say the higher #'s when asked. I've heard that the ATI in line pump may also cause some restriction rather than add more fuel pressure. If there's anyone out there that knows about that, please let me know. So now I'm waiting on another tune then we'll see where that goes. Thx, for your info.
i dont know about percentages...i put down 333 rwhp/ 404 lbs tq....with the 4r75 and 4x4...i didnt realize that the 4x4 contributed to a little greater loss until now, so that makes me feel a little better...
you have plenty of fuel with the 42's and the inline pump. your a/f ratios arent bad. the 15 is ok for cruising. it should be around 14.7 (stoich) if its perfect.
try a different tuner. prefereably someone who has tuned prochargers on
f150's. you should be making a lot more power than that.
try a different tuner. prefereably someone who has tuned prochargers on
f150's. you should be making a lot more power than that.
Originally Posted by gmanjerseyfx4
Flavio,
Glad to hear you got things worked out...what kind of numbers did you put down??
Glad to hear you got things worked out...what kind of numbers did you put down??
Originally Posted by BullittMcQueen
you have plenty of fuel with the 42's and the inline pump. your a/f ratios arent bad. the 15 is ok for cruising. it should be around 14.7 (stoich) if its perfect.
try a different tuner. prefereably someone who has tuned prochargers on
f150's. you should be making a lot more power than that.
try a different tuner. prefereably someone who has tuned prochargers on
f150's. you should be making a lot more power than that.


