This brings me back to the same question. What are you using the blower for? How often do any of you go to the track? I don't care if you go by me in the quarter mile, because I ain't runnin' no 1/4 mile runs on the street at 90 plus mph. With all the tinkering and trying of different pulleys, Iron Horse, did you ever take it to the track? Unless you're gonna make a habit of going to the track, who cares if you runnin' a 14 second 1/4 mile or a 13 or a 12? I bought my Magnacharger from Crash and I've been extremely happy with my purchase. Ever since I bought it, I've read nothing but ATI this and ATI that on these boards. The ATI might beat me in the 1/4 mile but I don't care. I've got tons of power. More than anyone needs on the street and it doesn't sound like a jet airplane. Some of you might like that, I don't. It's more fun to catch somebody by surprize than announce you're coming.

 

No track time yet. Although, I never really cared about going to the track (if I did, I would start with something a whole lot lighter in weight). All I really wanted was the ability to white smoke my tires without powerbraking it and beat some Chevys at stop lights from the line to about 30 to 50 feet. Then I shut it down before cops notice........I hope. I had that last Winter with the 11-12 pound bazooka pulley. However, the pinging continued. I now think all I needed was a bigger fuel pump. But, all that does not matter now. My father owns my Allen kit and I have to get my lightning 5.4 set-up going.

I will say this. The Bazooka pulley was a lot of fun. I mean a lot of fun. Instant gratification. I want that back.....without the pinging. I know one guy that had a 5 pound pulley on an Allen and now swears by the ATI. I also know several guys that had the ATI and then switched to the roots. They told me, they prefer the roots and that the roots made driving their trucks fun. Yet, I also know of a heavy supercrew with a 5.4 that had an ATI, that, beat a stock and lighter in weight, late model Lightning AND a late model TransAm. But then again, there are Lightnings with root blowers running in the 10s ALREADY. However, if it ever gets completed an intercooled 2.3 twinscrew will be one of the best kits....ever....and yet again, there is a 3.3 race only twinscrew roaming out there as well. Then we see the Lightning guys say that the roots is better for street driving over the twinscrew, they say that the roots has the best response. But, a properly tuned twin turbo set-up with NOS (to help it spool up even faster) has and will blow away ALL of these other set-ups. Thats it. Or is it? Yet, you must consider, how much you got to spend? How much you willing to do the rest of the drivetrain? How much down time are you willing to put up with? Whats important to you? ........me? All I know for sure, is that, I do not like stock!

 

Thats great that an F150 with mods can make that much power. But where in the power band is that power? What are the 1/8th and 1/4th E.T.s???

I applaud Flatsman for the Godzilla project. I hope he breaks into the 9s!

As Jason now says, your "Bring it" routine was funny at first, now it is annoying and it appears that you are attemtping to bully us...I said attempting. As a "Tuner" we expect you to assist us with OUR performance mod CHOICES. We expect you to help us make the most of what we have/can afford. You have hyped the ATI for a while now. Okay, thats fine. But you seem to have a chip on your shoulder when anyone does not agree with you or asks for proof of its performance. All we want as consumers is PROOF as in graphs of powerband and E.Ts.

Your doing all this backwards. Your suppose to mod., tune, test and produce documented results.......a lot of them. Then, you go to the public and showcase the RESULTS. As a vendor and Tuner, you are not suppose to make bitter enemys out of the buying public.

You challenge all F-150 owners with blowers???? .....what..are you high? I would like to see you challenge and actually RUN against a JDM tuned lightning. Heck, I would be happy to see YOU challenge yourself to just run against the clock.

 

On a very serious note, if you can finance for me, all the mods that you have in your truck, including a choice in supercharger systems other than what you use and help me install and tune it, I will bring it.

 

Exactly....NONE were intercooled and did not include a Eaton M112 nor a 2.3 twinscrew, nor a 3.3 twinscrew nor a large turbo.

I think if the best of all three were involved in the testing and intercooled, the turbo would beat up on the Procharger worse and the roots would produce even more power down low and even more torque. Therefore,......be the first off the line or down the line! Go Roots or Turbo!!!!!!!!

Yeah, yeah, I would like to see you tune an F-1 to handle stop and go Dallas morning rush hour traffic with that standard.

 

......where do I begin.......

First, this thread was for my next project. Out of nowhere, you decide to try to trash it. If you felt so strongly about "pulling out of the project" (I did not know you were in my project) you could have just CALLED

Covert credit card is toast. I am loyal to God, family, country and friends.....not schools of thought. I trusted you to tell me what you thought. You did. But I can not afford to buy a $3,000 block AND a $3500 ATI kit at the SAME time. Again, it is all about getting the most bang for the buck. If someone sold an ATI and a forged internal kit very cheap, sure I would try it, if I did not like it, I would just sell the kit. However, since all the kits cost about the same, why would I want to mess with an ATI Procharger when a roots provides better response and the turbo provides better midrange and topend?????????? If the ATI Procharger is better, then show us PROOF. Show us that a street driven F150 Procharger can keep up with or beat a street driven f150 JDM tuned roots or twinscrew.

You keep forgetting that, your not in competition with us as members, as a Tuner, you ARE in competition with other vendors for our business. You need to PROOF that your ATI Prochargers can keep up with or beat other forms of induction by OTHER TUNERS, not the consumers that you NEED to attract. You do not dictate terms to us, we as the consumer dictate the terms with our wallets.

I could have had an 800hp block for what I paid? Again, as I asked before, Do you know where there are $2,000 forged shortblocks? If so, I will sell my set-up and buy one right now.
RIght now, including the mega shipping costs, I have spent $2300 and that is for a low mileage lightning 5.4 engine AND supercharger assembly with all the brackets, pulleys etc. A forged shortblock AND a supercharger kit would cost AT LEAST $6,800. .......used cost $6,000 Again, ff I had that much to spend right now, I would get a forged 4.6 block, and a TURBO kit.

Trust this, I am trying to get my truck together and I want to run against lightnings, Prochargers and everything eles out there. Infact, when I get the stuff installed, I will be down there to get it tuned by Dom. When I come down there, we can line them up. But, no need to wait on me, there are many MODIFIED lightnings that you could have and can run against, RIGHT NOW.

No need to challenge my mods., I will make 500 rwhp and 500 rwtq., that I will do. I did not change my school of thought. My "school of thought" has always been and will always be, "Getting the most bang for the buck"

Helped me for a year? Other members on this board helped me more than you did. Charging for advice? I should have charged you, for my time in trying to support your site.

I really do not like this type of crap on the boards. I really do not like this stuff in my own threads. After you think about it, maybe you should delete ALL your comments in my thread. If so, I will delete ALL my comments concerning you out of this thread. Unless your trying to get us both kicked off this site. Then so be it.

 

Keeerist you two! When did this neat thread turn into a stone throwing contest.

I think you should both back up and delete everything from about the middle of page three on.

There are many guys who are doing the same thing that Iron is because "they want to", and in my opinion, everybody is free to choose the route they prefer, for whatever reason.

So lets get this thread back to being informative and entertaining without the abuse.

 

Let me get this straight... they tested a non-intercooled turbo?

Why not just run with 40 degrees of timing in 100 degree weather with 87 octane gas?

Running without an intercooler is fine for certain applications, but if you _can_ install an intercooler, go for it. It's extra power and peace of mind.

-Don

 

 

don, - the turbo came with an intercooler but they tried to keep it even so they left it off.
even so they made 208 more peak hp even without it so its hard to argue with an under 10 psi, small v-8 that can put out 600 hp and thump out 617 ft. tq. i see 11 and 10 second mustangs (street cars) running paxton novi2000 at the track all the time. the intercooler might make them faster but they seem to be running pretty good to me.

Crash whats the point? your truck currently has no s/c, neither does skids and tenderizer is still in the building stage, its not your truck, Are we talking about current trucks ready to run tommorow or truck that are on the drawing board that will one day be able to run the numbers? your truck has the making to be a bad motor scooter but i was under the impression that you are not there yet.

 

I see what your doing now.....you are trying to get my thread locked by the monitors.

Derick, we all know that the late model Lightning is the guage by which all speed performance mods for the F150, are tested by. Of course your in competition with the other F150 tuners. Right now, the best in the biz. utilize roots and twinscrew blowers. Yet, you want all of us to believe that your choice of blower is better than a PROVEN roots or twinscrew. Okay great, show us the E.T.s where you ran against the clock or several modified lightnings. That was never meant as an insult, thats called informed shopping. Thats called, a tuner providing proof of his claims. I hope that it can be proven. But, thats the point, it's not proven yet. Right now, YOU are in the middle of a "The world is round, no it is flat" debate. I hope for your sake, that the world is flat."

Faith? Your "Faith" requires an expensive offering in the collection plate. Again, I can not do a forged block and a supercharger system all in the same time frame....and if I could, I would get a turbo kit, not an ATI.....We discussed this. But, I did have enough for BOTH a lightning engine AND the eaton supercharging system. You were apart of my original Bazooka project. But, you wanted me to take the Bazooka pulley for promotional reasons. I did not have to beg to get it and I paid full price for the thing.

In previous months, I tried to call you to bounce some mod. ideals off you. However, when I could actually get you on the phone, you acted as if I was wasting your time or never returned my calls.

Again, if you will remove ALL your comments from my thread, I will remove ALL my comments concerning you. Thanks and good luck.

 

YUP!!!! Exactly!!!!!!

 

Remember in the future, when you look back and try to figure out what went wrong, that, YOU made that statement, not me.

Don't even THINK for even a second, that you can dictate terms to me on ANYTHING. I really could care less if you get pissed off about ANYTHING. .....and I still CHALLENGE you to run your best ATI combo against a JDM/JLP/etc. modified Lightning. .......and again, its not a truck of a member of the buying public that you should worry about, its all the 10 second roots/twinscrew Lightnings that you should worry about.

Wasting time? You have been wasting all our time since you invaded this thread with your ATI hype. We all know how you FEEL about the ATI, now why not PROVE what it can do?

On a side note, I do not understand what is going on with you. If you wanted to talk, you could have just picked up the phone. You do not have to attempt to slam me to get my attention. This is getting very embarrasing. Its like watching a shouting match in a resturant.

Again, I ask that you remove all your statements from my thread. If you are willing to do that, I will remove all my comments about you. Thanks.

 

Jesus Crash you have to almost identical threads running at the same time. One here and one on the Lightning forum.

As I close this thread Ill make tha same offer I have made a number of times... Bring it to the track in Dallas with the TALON guys and well offer you some documented competition....

This is going NO where ...

Closed

Doug