what do ya think about infinity?
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Originally Posted by brypink2
I love it when people say Infinity speakers (for example) are the best, awesome and especially terms like very clean, great mids and highs, etc. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...
These are the people who I would have to ask what their experience is in car audio and experience with other brand of speakers and their installs. What are you guys comparing these Infinities too? What's your experience? I mean come on...if a fly by night Ebay store can sell them for $87 dollars a pair...what's that tell you?
I've had experience with BA, Focal, Alpine, CDT, DLS, Pioneer, RF, Kicker, Kenwood, Polk, Morel, Dynaudio, Zapco, OZ Audio, ID, alot of DIY stuff not to mention Infinity...and this is just to name a few. I can tell you Infinity sets really, REALLY lack in performance and are made very cheaply with cheap parts. I'm not trying to offend anyone that has them (really I'm not). it's just when someone says how great they are...ask them their experience and what other brands they have dealt with.
Will they work for you...the Infinities...probably, around here they seem like the #1 cheap brand that everyone on a budget buys. Is there way better sets out there in the same price range...YES!!!!
Now, what people have said...go and listen to them...any brand and get what sounds best to you. But...sound boards will not sound the same in your truck. Plus, there are so many other variables that will factor in the overall sound of any speaker you buy. Just buy what makes you happy...be it sound, build quality, reputation, price, etc. and then come one here and justify your purchase...thats the ONLY way to be completely satisfied.
I'll start...best speaker set I've owned is made by Rainbow. My set is not for the budget minded individual though.
These are the people who I would have to ask what their experience is in car audio and experience with other brand of speakers and their installs. What are you guys comparing these Infinities too? What's your experience? I mean come on...if a fly by night Ebay store can sell them for $87 dollars a pair...what's that tell you?
I've had experience with BA, Focal, Alpine, CDT, DLS, Pioneer, RF, Kicker, Kenwood, Polk, Morel, Dynaudio, Zapco, OZ Audio, ID, alot of DIY stuff not to mention Infinity...and this is just to name a few. I can tell you Infinity sets really, REALLY lack in performance and are made very cheaply with cheap parts. I'm not trying to offend anyone that has them (really I'm not). it's just when someone says how great they are...ask them their experience and what other brands they have dealt with.
Will they work for you...the Infinities...probably, around here they seem like the #1 cheap brand that everyone on a budget buys. Is there way better sets out there in the same price range...YES!!!!
Now, what people have said...go and listen to them...any brand and get what sounds best to you. But...sound boards will not sound the same in your truck. Plus, there are so many other variables that will factor in the overall sound of any speaker you buy. Just buy what makes you happy...be it sound, build quality, reputation, price, etc. and then come one here and justify your purchase...thats the ONLY way to be completely satisfied.
I'll start...best speaker set I've owned is made by Rainbow. My set is not for the budget minded individual though.
However, for those on a budget that don't want bottom of the barrel speakers, but can't afford the top crust, the infinity speakers see to fit the bill.
Though I agree with those saying you have to hear it for yourself and decide what really sounds good to you IN YOUR PRICE RANGE.
I'll tell you one thing though. I can tell you from personal experience that I've actually seen what Best Buy purchases car audio parts for and then what they sell it for. The mark up is HUGE. Sometimes up to 80%. So I'm thinking that ebay sellers sell to under cut chain retailers markup and still make some good money.
Infinity Kappa 50.7cs - $134 on ebay / $280 on crutchfield
Infinity Reference 6810cs - $90 on ebay / $200 on crutchfield
Boston Acoustics Pro50 - $282 on ebay / $600 on crutchfield
General: Infinity Reference 6810cs / Infinity Kappa 50.7cs / Boston Acoustics Pro50
Speaker Size: 6X8 / 5 1/4 / 5 1/4
Design: 2-way / 2-way / 2-way
Tweeter Design: 1" Dome / 1" Dome / Dome
Tweeter Composition: Silk (same as rainbow) / M.M.D. / Anodized Alloy
Woofer Composition: Polypropylene / Woven-glass-fiber / Copolymer
Woofer Surround: Rubber / Rubber / Rubber
Parts Warranty: 1 Year / 3 Years / 2 Years
Labor Warranty 1 Year / 3 Years / 2 Years
Last edited by F150 Duke; Nov 11, 2006 at 03:06 PM.
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Originally Posted by brypink2
< $150
DLS
Rainbow
CDT
A/D/S
OZ
Crystal
Just to name a few....
I also bought a pair of Hertz just to try them out in the wife's SUV. They are a sister company of Audison.
DLS
Rainbow
CDT
A/D/S
OZ
Crystal
Just to name a few....
I also bought a pair of Hertz just to try them out in the wife's SUV. They are a sister company of Audison.
But what specific model from that manuf, that meets the requirements of component speakers that fit into our trucks?
Duke
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a little searching on one of the brands...
This DLS UP6 though isn't even in the price range of the other speakers.
DLS UP6 6.5" 2-WAY COMPONENT SPEAKERS $239 on ebay
Speaker type : 2-way system
Woofer size : 16,5 cm (6,5")
Power handling capacity : 150 W RMS / 180 W max
Tweeter : 28 mm (1,1") tweeter
Sensitivity : 88 dB (1W/1m)
Magnet size : 62 mm (2,44") Hybrid ferrit/neodymium
Outer diameter of woofer : 165 mm (6,5")
Installation depth : 63 mm ( 2,48")
Mounting hole : 140 mm (5,5")
Crossover : Box filter LP: 12 dB & HP: 12 dB slope
DLS R6A 6.5" 2-WAY COMPONENT SPEAKERS REFERENCE - $134 on ebay (fairer analysis to Infinity speakers)
But these have speaker cone that is made of non compressed paper. The two Infinitys and Bostons setup are better than that. Are stock speakers are made of non compressed paper.
Speaker type : 2-way system
Woofer size : 16,5 cm (6,5")
Power handling capacity : 80 W RMS / 120 W max
Tweeter : 25 mm (1") tweeter
Sensitivity : 94 dB (1W/1m)
Magnet size : 100 mm (3,94")
Outer diameter of woofer : 165 mm (6,5")
Installation depth : 76 mm ( 3")
Mounting hole : 140 mm (5,5")
Crossover : Box filter LP: 6 dB & HP: 12 dB slope
These are more expensive then the three speakers I showed and they don't even look better in specs.
Specs.
Sensitivity: An efficiency or sensitivity rating tells you how efficiently speakers converts power into sound. The higher the number, the louder the speakers will play. An efficient speaker helps you maximize your available power.
DLS UP6- 88db
DLS R6A- 94db
Infinity Reference 6810- 92
Infinity Kappas- 94db
Boston Pro 50- 90.
RMS: The range of RMS power the speaker requires to operate safely and properly. RMS Power Handling refers to the amount of power a speaker can handle on a continuous basis.
DLS UP6- 150
DLS R6A- 80
Infinity Reference 6810- 90
Infinity Kappa- 85
Boston Pro 50- 125
Tweeter: (metal are said to be too harsh)
DLS UP6- silk
DLS R6A- silk
Infinity Reference 6810- silk
Infinity Kappa- M.M.D.
Boston Pro 50- Anodized Alloy
I'm not being combative, I just don't see what you're seeing and I want to be able to take advantage of the knowledge you have and learn from it before making a purchase.
Once again, I agree there are better speakers then Infinity Components but I don't see how the components you listed have speakers in the Infinity components price range that have specs which are better.
This DLS UP6 though isn't even in the price range of the other speakers.
DLS UP6 6.5" 2-WAY COMPONENT SPEAKERS $239 on ebay
Speaker type : 2-way system
Woofer size : 16,5 cm (6,5")
Power handling capacity : 150 W RMS / 180 W max
Tweeter : 28 mm (1,1") tweeter
Sensitivity : 88 dB (1W/1m)
Magnet size : 62 mm (2,44") Hybrid ferrit/neodymium
Outer diameter of woofer : 165 mm (6,5")
Installation depth : 63 mm ( 2,48")
Mounting hole : 140 mm (5,5")
Crossover : Box filter LP: 12 dB & HP: 12 dB slope
DLS R6A 6.5" 2-WAY COMPONENT SPEAKERS REFERENCE - $134 on ebay (fairer analysis to Infinity speakers)
But these have speaker cone that is made of non compressed paper. The two Infinitys and Bostons setup are better than that. Are stock speakers are made of non compressed paper.
Speaker type : 2-way system
Woofer size : 16,5 cm (6,5")
Power handling capacity : 80 W RMS / 120 W max
Tweeter : 25 mm (1") tweeter
Sensitivity : 94 dB (1W/1m)
Magnet size : 100 mm (3,94")
Outer diameter of woofer : 165 mm (6,5")
Installation depth : 76 mm ( 3")
Mounting hole : 140 mm (5,5")
Crossover : Box filter LP: 6 dB & HP: 12 dB slope
These are more expensive then the three speakers I showed and they don't even look better in specs.
Specs.
Sensitivity: An efficiency or sensitivity rating tells you how efficiently speakers converts power into sound. The higher the number, the louder the speakers will play. An efficient speaker helps you maximize your available power.
DLS UP6- 88db
DLS R6A- 94db
Infinity Reference 6810- 92
Infinity Kappas- 94db
Boston Pro 50- 90.
RMS: The range of RMS power the speaker requires to operate safely and properly. RMS Power Handling refers to the amount of power a speaker can handle on a continuous basis.
DLS UP6- 150
DLS R6A- 80
Infinity Reference 6810- 90
Infinity Kappa- 85
Boston Pro 50- 125
Tweeter: (metal are said to be too harsh)
DLS UP6- silk
DLS R6A- silk
Infinity Reference 6810- silk
Infinity Kappa- M.M.D.
Boston Pro 50- Anodized Alloy
I'm not being combative, I just don't see what you're seeing and I want to be able to take advantage of the knowledge you have and learn from it before making a purchase.
Once again, I agree there are better speakers then Infinity Components but I don't see how the components you listed have speakers in the Infinity components price range that have specs which are better.
Last edited by F150 Duke; Nov 11, 2006 at 03:32 PM.
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I gave brands to look at and for YOU (the consumer) to research and figure out if a set will work for you. If you can't find a set I mentioned in the said price range, then move to the next. Sorry man, I'm not going to do all the work for you. The deals are out there...you just got to look for them. That's what I did for my "thousands" dollar speakers. Don't just look at the MRSP and look on Ebay. If you do find a set you like...give me a hollar...I'll help you find them cheaper. I've done that for a couple of members on here already and set them up with some real nice Rainbows.
Also, you should really get over what specs are printed. These can always be inflated, twisted, fibbed, you get the picture. I never look at the RMS of a set as gospel. Most reputable companies under rate their RMS...but, some over rate them as well. Efficiency, thats a nice spec to look at, but again, don't hold it as gospel.
One of the better sets I have listen too had non-compressed paper cones, the DLS Iridiums. Of course, they are not in this price range...merely just saying don't knock it unless you've heard it.
If you re-read my post that you quoted...you'll see that the main focus of my post is the experience of the individual that does say that Brand X speaker is the best he has heard, owned, used, etc. Infinity was used as an example, but since I used Infinity as that example...I put in my 2 cents about them and a little bit of what I have used in the past for reference on my taste and validity of my opinion.
AGAIN, it boils down to what makes YOU happy. That might be an Infinity set...but maybe not. So, get what you want, play it hard as hell and enjoy. That's all that really matters.
BTW...Styx is right...alot of it boils down to the xover design.
Also, you should really get over what specs are printed. These can always be inflated, twisted, fibbed, you get the picture. I never look at the RMS of a set as gospel. Most reputable companies under rate their RMS...but, some over rate them as well. Efficiency, thats a nice spec to look at, but again, don't hold it as gospel.
One of the better sets I have listen too had non-compressed paper cones, the DLS Iridiums. Of course, they are not in this price range...merely just saying don't knock it unless you've heard it.
If you re-read my post that you quoted...you'll see that the main focus of my post is the experience of the individual that does say that Brand X speaker is the best he has heard, owned, used, etc. Infinity was used as an example, but since I used Infinity as that example...I put in my 2 cents about them and a little bit of what I have used in the past for reference on my taste and validity of my opinion.
AGAIN, it boils down to what makes YOU happy. That might be an Infinity set...but maybe not. So, get what you want, play it hard as hell and enjoy. That's all that really matters.
BTW...Styx is right...alot of it boils down to the xover design.
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Originally Posted by Impact9
You gotta tell the whole story so folks don't get the wrong idea cause it could happen on any thing from amps to tickle me elmos.
Say did that mess get straightened out?
Say did that mess get straightened out?
But according to Polk, it was a defective crossover and the solder had nothing to do with it... Man, defective, I would have never guessed...
This was the outcome from MorronBuy.com... I mean MillionBuy.com..
Originally Posted by F150Truck'in
Well looks like this is to best I'm going to get after all the B.S. from them, installing and uninstalling and $36.00 to return the speakers....
I told them to go ahead and refund it, I just want to end this business transaction with these morons
297.00 for speakers
36.00 shipping loss on returning speakers
59.40 20% loss MillionBuy Moron Free
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201.16 from a 297.00 buy
costed me 95.84 and a month & haft of my time playing with there defective speakers... what a deal.....
E-mail they sent today...
Dear Customer,
millionbuy-PO# XXXXXX
We have received the rest of your return and we can offer a refund minus 20% because you are still past the original 30 days to obtain a refund. Please contact us ASAP.
Sincerely,
Kris E.
MILLIONBUY.COM
I told them to go ahead and refund it, I just want to end this business transaction with these morons
297.00 for speakers
36.00 shipping loss on returning speakers
59.40 20% loss MillionBuy Moron Free
-----------
201.16 from a 297.00 buy
costed me 95.84 and a month & haft of my time playing with there defective speakers... what a deal.....
E-mail they sent today...
Dear Customer,
millionbuy-PO# XXXXXX
We have received the rest of your return and we can offer a refund minus 20% because you are still past the original 30 days to obtain a refund. Please contact us ASAP.
Sincerely,
Kris E.
MILLIONBUY.COM
Last edited by F150Truck'in; Nov 12, 2006 at 11:20 AM.
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Originally Posted by JonF150
So F150Truck'in, what did you end up going with, or did you just have that one replaced. I have not had any personal experience or have not heard the polks. The more I read, the more I just want to stick with Kappa's and be done with it because I know they are nice to me...
Rainbows......
265 Germs front....
165 SL's back.....
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Like it was said ealier'we can tell you what is good till we are blue in the face but it all come down to what sounds good to your ears and whats in your budget. So get out there and listen to some speakers allready.
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Originally Posted by brypink2
I gave brands to look at and for YOU (the consumer) to research and figure out if a set will work for you. If you can't find a set I mentioned in the said price range, then move to the next. Sorry man, I'm not going to do all the work for you. The deals are out there...you just got to look for them. That's what I did for my "thousands" dollar speakers. Don't just look at the MRSP and look on Ebay. If you do find a set you like...give me a hollar...I'll help you find them cheaper. I've done that for a couple of members on here already and set them up with some real nice Rainbows.
Also, you should really get over what specs are printed. These can always be inflated, twisted, fibbed, you get the picture. I never look at the RMS of a set as gospel. Most reputable companies under rate their RMS...but, some over rate them as well. Efficiency, thats a nice spec to look at, but again, don't hold it as gospel.
One of the better sets I have listen too had non-compressed paper cones, the DLS Iridiums. Of course, they are not in this price range...merely just saying don't knock it unless you've heard it.
If you re-read my post that you quoted...you'll see that the main focus of my post is the experience of the individual that does say that Brand X speaker is the best he has heard, owned, used, etc. Infinity was used as an example, but since I used Infinity as that example...I put in my 2 cents about them and a little bit of what I have used in the past for reference on my taste and validity of my opinion.
AGAIN, it boils down to what makes YOU happy. That might be an Infinity set...but maybe not. So, get what you want, play it hard as hell and enjoy. That's all that really matters.
BTW...Styx is right...alot of it boils down to the xover design.
Also, you should really get over what specs are printed. These can always be inflated, twisted, fibbed, you get the picture. I never look at the RMS of a set as gospel. Most reputable companies under rate their RMS...but, some over rate them as well. Efficiency, thats a nice spec to look at, but again, don't hold it as gospel.
One of the better sets I have listen too had non-compressed paper cones, the DLS Iridiums. Of course, they are not in this price range...merely just saying don't knock it unless you've heard it.
If you re-read my post that you quoted...you'll see that the main focus of my post is the experience of the individual that does say that Brand X speaker is the best he has heard, owned, used, etc. Infinity was used as an example, but since I used Infinity as that example...I put in my 2 cents about them and a little bit of what I have used in the past for reference on my taste and validity of my opinion.
AGAIN, it boils down to what makes YOU happy. That might be an Infinity set...but maybe not. So, get what you want, play it hard as hell and enjoy. That's all that really matters.
BTW...Styx is right...alot of it boils down to the xover design.
Thanks again,
Duke
Last edited by F150 Duke; Nov 13, 2006 at 10:26 AM.
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Originally Posted by F150 Duke
Cool, thanks for the info! Once again I was challenging you, knocking you or anything like that. I just didn't see how you were reaching the conclusion you gave. This extra info makes sense. I'm going to go out and listen to some different speakers and look for some deals. Before I order anything though, I'll send you a PM to see what you think and if it can be found cheaper.
Thanks again,
Duke
Thanks again,
Duke
A set you should really look at is this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HERTZ-HSK-16...QQcmdZViewItem
I got a pair and also turned scsmitty78 on to them...he loves his set. I haven't installed mine yet. They are going in the wife's SUV, if I like them after I get them up and running. We got ours for $110 shipped, I see that he raised his prices. Hertz is a sister company of Audison...I'm sure you have heard of them. I was starting to hear some good things about this set and decided I would pick up a pair just to see.
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Originally Posted by brypink2
No problem Duke...it's all good.
A set you should really look at is this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HERTZ-HSK-16...QQcmdZViewItem
I got a pair and also turned scsmitty78 on to them...he loves his set. I haven't installed mine yet. They are going in the wife's SUV, if I like them after I get them up and running. We got ours for $110 shipped, I see that he raised his prices. Hertz is a sister company of Audison...I'm sure you have heard of them. I was starting to hear some good things about this set and decided I would pick up a pair just to see.
A set you should really look at is this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HERTZ-HSK-16...QQcmdZViewItem
I got a pair and also turned scsmitty78 on to them...he loves his set. I haven't installed mine yet. They are going in the wife's SUV, if I like them after I get them up and running. We got ours for $110 shipped, I see that he raised his prices. Hertz is a sister company of Audison...I'm sure you have heard of them. I was starting to hear some good things about this set and decided I would pick up a pair just to see.
Thanks again for the help.
Duke
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I was on a budget and picked up some Kappa 682.7's for my truck. If you do go that route, do as everyone has already said and buy them from somewhere else. Crutchfield are great for research (and service) but the prices are high. I think I got my Kappa's for about $90 and it took no time at all to find them on the internet.
What do I think of them? well somedays I hate them and wish I had gone for something else, other days I like how they sound and am pretty pleased with them. I have them running off an amp, and would recommend you do the same with any speaker's you do eventually buy. I am hoping when I install my sub that the Kappa's will sound better, I can't afford to replace them at the moment, and they do sound better than the stock.
When I was looking I listened to Alpines, Pioneer, Polk, Eclipse, JL and wonder why I did not buy either the Polk or the JL's. Oh well, you live and learn!!
What do I think of them? well somedays I hate them and wish I had gone for something else, other days I like how they sound and am pretty pleased with them. I have them running off an amp, and would recommend you do the same with any speaker's you do eventually buy. I am hoping when I install my sub that the Kappa's will sound better, I can't afford to replace them at the moment, and they do sound better than the stock.
When I was looking I listened to Alpines, Pioneer, Polk, Eclipse, JL and wonder why I did not buy either the Polk or the JL's. Oh well, you live and learn!!
