Can i still use my superchip if i buy a procharger. i need the chip for the gear change correction.I also like the way my trany shifts.

 

You need to provide a lot more info to answer that question.
What year truck?
What are the tuning parameters of the chip?
I'm sure you will need to make many adjustments to your tune and procharger setup, i.e. injectors, MAF, fuel pressure.
Whatever you do, don't put on the Procharger with the chip and then take off. Disaster will likely occur in the form of Deathonation...pun intended.
I would suggest you call Mike at Troyer Performance.

 

Hi Eddie99,

I'm assuming you are talking about the old style blue Superchip module, which is of course not tuned for any supercharger - so in that case, the answer would be no. Custom tuning is not being done in those older single-bank (1 or 2 program) style Superchips anymore, and hasn't been for years now. So you will need a new tuning device, the only smart way to go is with the XCalibrator 2 - we would provide a set of 3 custom tunes set up for the supercharger.

Another thing you need to know is that we do not recommend ever using any kind of centrifugal supercharger like an ATI, Powerdyne, Vortech, etc. on any street-driven vehicle - especially a heavy truck. There is no increase in power on part-throttle as there's no boost on part-throttle, and basically no increase in power at full-throttle below about 2500 rpm - and not much before 3000 rpm. Now they do come on strong at about 3400 rpm, so from there on up at very heavy throttle they run strong - good for light weight ace cars, for example. There is basically little to no improvement in normal daily driving for these trucks, that is why centrifugal-style superchargers are not the way to go. this has nothing to do with inherent "quality," that's not what I;m saying - there are plenty of good quality well-made centrifugal superchargers - they just don't belong on a street-driven truck compared to what a positive-displacement blower will do.

You have much better options using a positive displacement supercharger that provides power gains *all* the time, at any throttle position, and at any rpm - don't be taken in by clams of increased step-up ratios, etc., as we see some dealers doing - centrifugal is centrifugal, they all have the same inherent power band.

Every one of our vehicles except 1 is supercharged, and not one of them wears a centrifugal - and we can afford anything we want for our vehicles - that should tell you something.

I suggest giving us a call & have us work out a package deal for you on the custom tuning you will need as well as a *proper* design of supercharger and not using any of the band-aids most of those manufacturer use, like FMU's, stock injectors, stock MAF, etc - that does not work properly and is a good way to blow up the engine over time, they only do that to take shortcuts to reduce the cost of the supercharger kit so more people will buy them - most vehicle owners have no idea how all of these control systems really work.

Give us a call at our number listed below & we can go over all of this with you in appropriate detail,and work out a package for you that includes a positive displacement supercharger so that you get *instant* torque and maximum boost any any rpm or throttle position, correct injector & MAF sizing and of course, appropriate tuning so that everything works correctly, and for the long term. Then you can take some time to give all of that some thought before making your decision.

I hope that brief info helps, & best of luck whatever you decide!

 

IMO your wrong Mike...you are trying to talk ppl out of buying a s/c because you dont like them...there are tons of guys running the centrifical s/c and have great luck and success with them as daily drivers....you are right that they dont have the instant low end like a roots or screw but maybe ppl dont want that....I know from experience on owning both kind of s/c and the centi will out perform higher in the rpm curve

take a look at a daily driver who out ran a SRT with his truck

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=215021

 

raider -
Mike is not wrong, nor are you.You actually agreed with what he said.

The AEM set-up Troyer sells looks like the best easy bolt-on set up available, for the price, annd you can't beat their service.

I just ordered a FRPP Powerdyne after reading many posts of good results.
I plan to cost out the install with add-ons and we will see if it is really worth the low initial cost.

 

I'm not going to say everything that is on my mind for fear of putting my foot in my mouth, But WLF and I have been running the powerdyne for a couple of years now and with a few add on's are very happy with the performance. We pth have 4.6 enginens and are running vortech aftercoolers and a little extra boost. I for one cannot afford anything I want the powerdyne was done in steps, when i had a little extra money i got what I could. If I could afford anything I wanted I would have baught a Harley truck or a Lightning and not put any "JUNK aftermarket supercharger" on my truck, but I can't so my supercrew is paid for and my junk powerdyne is paid for and I am very happy with the way it runs. (by the way a stock harley truck doesn't get away from the old truck either) I have to say thankyou to the tune, parts and information that Mike Troyer provided , as without them the truck would not run as good as it does.
For Normal driving I feel the truck did and still does perform quite well and the added power of the junk powerdyne takes over from where the truck left off. No it doesen't sit there and smoke the tire from a stop but unless you are at the track with a set of sliks what good is that? Spinning tires is expensive and slows you down. It does turn the tires on a one/ two shift. Like I say I am happy with my set up
And ONELOWF if I can be of any help in any way with you're instalation, which is very easy or any up grades feel free to email me, I am more than glad to help a fellow Powerdyner!!! wish you the best!!!

 

Thanks every one.Every info helps.Mike I would love a roots supercharger. but the price is alittle high. I mean am geting married soon so my best bet on superchargeing is a centr supercharger.And i do want to do this soon. I just want to do the less money possible route.

 

Eddie,
These are the choices you have when it comes to adding power to your vehicle

1) If its Fast and Cheap, its not Reliable.
2) If its Cheap and Reliable, its not Fast.
3) If its Fast and Reliable, its not Cheap.

(I copied that from a lightning thread cuz its so true)

Whichever route you go,try to steer away from using a fmu w/ stock injectors,which leads to choice # 3

Frank

 

Well said Frank!

My hat's off to your advice, and your SRT/10 kill over in the S/C forum!

This is what makes TP so exceptional. From a lot of reading here, they would rather lose a sale than try to peddle systems that are 'cheapened' by omissions and sub-par components. Everything is used and tested by them as well. Their reputation is predicated upon stuff that works, and is Fast AND Safe AND Reliable.

If it turns out not to be the cheapest, well that's life. The best sometimes cost more.

Overall, though - through the combination of stellar support & service, the *best* tuning, the most amazing understanding of the components and systems involved, actual experience and comprehensive testing, it may very well be that buying their 'turn-key' packages results in the least cost of ownership at the end of the day & over the long haul, so to speak, all things considered.

Oh, and I'd count a reduction of stress level in that calculation.

Sorry for the long-winded rather pendantic reply.

Cheers!
Grog

 

I can't believe the stupidly of certain people (well, actually just one obvious individual). Those stupid enough to think that we tell people what we do because we only sell a certain product or can't get a certain product line are just that - too stupid for words. As well as dead wrong.

Those of you with centrifugals, certainly you must realize by now that as long as you are happy with your choice, then we are happy for you - anyone that knows us knows that, and those who don't know that by now and have been here more than a couple of weeks - well, I can only say "my condolences."

The fact remains that no centrifugal can change the fact that they can only make boost as a function of engine rpms - period. Not load, and THAT is the key that anyone that actually knows anything about forced induction should easily be able to understand - and there's the key - knowledge and experience. With any centrifugal there is no power gain on part-throttle, because there is no boost on part-throttle - you have to be turning a significant # of rpms *and* be at a significant throttle opening to get anything out of any centrifugal - that is how centrifugals work. Now once they finally go to work, they can make GREAT power, absolutely! But you cannot even remotely compare the driveability or overall performance of any centrifugal to a positive displacement blower at boost levels your stock engine can survive long-term at.

Anyone ever stop just one single second to wonder why the automakers who build supercharged vehicles do NOT use centrifugal superchargers?!?!?!?

Not Ford, not GM, not even Mercedes touches centrifugals, they all use positive displacement superchargers in their supercharged vehicles, from the Lightning to the Cobra to the 6-figure Ford GT to the GM 3.8 blower GP's & Buicks to the Mercedes Kompressor cars, etc., etc. The reason automakers use only positive displacement superchargers is for one simple reason and that is the instant torque any time, any throttle position or rpm - nudge the throttle and it's right there, right *now*. End of story.

*That* is why we do not recommend centrifugals, whether it's a bottom-bucket Powerdyne (whose wonderful kit for the 5.4 3V F-150 adds a whopping 30 HP, by the way) to a top of the line ATI - centrifugals are centrifugals and we don't approve of them on street-driven trucks. End of story.

Does that mean that we knock the people who have them? No, of course not - all we care about is that you are happy with what you have! We tune them all no matter what, as virtually everyone here already knows all too well.

Those of you who are happy with their setups, I'm happy for you - that's great! "Chuck'sBP" is an excellent example - now he has worked long & hard on his centrifugal setup, over a long period of time, getting the best possible combination of boost level, intercooling, and tune after tune on our part.
He has done *excellent* work with his setup for a stock engine, and he has much to be proud of. He's happy, so we're happy *for* him. Just like we're happy for anyone else who is happy with their vehicle.

If you are happy with your centrifugal, then we're happy for you - but please - don't degrade yourself any further by attacking us or trying to defend your choice, etc.

Just enjoy what you have, and have a nice day without attacking others, people. It's a much better way to live.

 

Today was the day.. I Bought the Vortech system today.That was my first choice so i went for it. Know i Need 42 pound injectors,90mm MAF.And a good CUSTOM TUNE.Power is not cheap I know.But fun factor is PRICELESS.