Hey fordification

2 ways -

1) look how much higher the Toy sits compared to the others

2) When the test results were announced on the news, it was mentioned the Toy was a 4X4.

In looking at the pictures, not only is the angle different, it also appears that the barrier angle is different so the ford plowed into an angled surface so the majority of the impact was absorbed along the outermost left side of the vehicle where as the others hit a flat surface and the impact was absorbed evenly along the entire left half of the truck.



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Hey - why don't they show it like it would happen in the real world - like perhaps a head on crash with an f-150 4x4 and a tundra.
Now that would be something to see.

 

Hey, you're absolutely right!! The Tundra is significantly "taller" i.e. more ground clearance than the other three. It makes you wonder about the ulterior motives of the IIHS.

As the saying goes, there's more to this than meets the eye!

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That's very true! One thing I DIDN'T notice at http://www.hwysafety.org/ was that they never even mention whether it was a 4x2 or 4x4 versions used. When it comes down to something as important as checking the safety of vehicles, it's imperitive to be as specific as possible. I see a possibility of sabotage. I guess the competition took up a collection of money to do this "offset collision test". They must of figured Ford has had the "Best selling truck" title for long enough!

 

Are you all sure about the Toyota being a 4x4? According to the Dateline website, all trucks were 4x2.

If the Tundra tested was really a 4x4, then the comparison should be invalidated until they test 4x4 versions of all the other trucks too.

BTW, my 4x4 SC has factory installed cab steps. These are mounted to the underside of the body. I wonder if they would make a difference in the offset crash?

 

I just checked both the Toyota web site and the IIHS web site. The Tundra that the IIHS tested had a weight of 4,363lb. Toyota lists the curb weights for the Tundra as

1. 4x2 (man. trans.) 4,088lb
2. 4x2 (auto) 4,133lb
3. 4x4 (man.trans) 4,320lb
4. 4x4 (auto) 4,376lb

So it would seem that the weight of the vehicle tested by the IIHS is consistent with the 4x4 with automatic trans. However, I assume that the curb weights from Toyota are with an empty gas tank. The IIHS may have included the weight of any gas in the tank (although you'd think they'd test them empty or close to it) and the weight of the dummy.

What's the height difference between an F-150 4x2 and 4x4? In the case of the Tundra, there is only a 1" height difference between 4x2 and 4x4 models. If the height difference in the F-150 models is substantial then the test says nothing about how a 4x4 would perform.



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'00 5.4L AUTO 4X4 F-150 Lariat
'98 4.0L 5spd Jeep Wrangler Sport
'02 F-350 PSD CC DRW 6SPD 4X4 Lariat (order this year)
www.hawthorn-engineering.com

 

I looked at the weight info from Ford vs. what they tested it Ford says that a 4X2 supercab 139" WB w/4.6 weighs 4413lbs curb weight, and the IIHS says their test vehicle weighed 4475lbs. I am willing to bet that they tested the 4X4 Toyota and the 4X2 of the rest of the trucks. In regards to the camera angle, all of the trucks hit the barrier square. You can see the video of each test from multiple angles including an overhead shot at http://www.msnbc.com/news/580811.asp just watch the vids and see for yourself. I do agree though that the tests are not equal and I would like to see them test a Toyota 4X2 and post it's results. I still have to say that the F-150 has a serious problem with the frame, I also looked at a website for finding wreck autos for parts http://www.copartfinder.com/ and found that real life crashes are showing very similar results. Even though I now about all this I would still never buy a a** ugly, rice burning Toyota! I will be keeping my F-150 at least untill the next major facelift, it's currently 3 years old and I still love driving it.

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Two-Tone paint: Moonlight Blue w/Light Prairie Tan Accent
4.6L Auto 4X2
3.55ls 255/70r16
Premium sound w/6Disc changer
Captains chairs

 

 

Get the facts straight.

1. F-150 is built in four plants, (Kansas City,USA, Norfolk,USA, Oakville,CAN, Cuautitlan,MEX). The production in Canada and Mexico is minimal. The lion share of all F-150s are built in Kansas City or Norfolk.

2. If you want to cite the frame construction, fyi, the frames for Toyota Tundra/Sequoia and Ford F-150 are produced by the same company: Dana. It is not frame construction that caused the failure, listen to the broadcast, read the remarks again, the cab was the issue, not the frame.

3. Customer satisfaction sides with the Toyota Tundra, yet F-150 still outsells Tundra. Why is that?

4. Toyota offers limited complexity with their vehicles. Ford does not. Why is that?

Ford has work to do, it's not a secret. It recognizes the stiff competition that exists and the need to build a flawless vehicle to maintain customer loyalty.

Know your facts!

 

I agree on the apples to apples comparison.

Correction: We do have 4x4 F-150s built in USA. (Kansas City,USA, Norfolk,USA)

 

I don't see how anyone can claim that the F-150 having some of it's trucks built in Canada and Mexico is going to effect how it does in a crash test. I can't speak for the build from the Mexican plant, however My truck's engine, that has been trouble free, was built in Canada as well as my trucks final assembly was done in Canada. It changes nothing, they are still built with the same parts as those built in the USA, they just happen to roll off the assembly line in Canada or Mexico and then get shipped to the dealers like any truck built in the USA. Anyone trying to claim that the F150 is not as good because of where somebody drove it out of an assembly plant needs their head examined.

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98 F150 XLT Super cab s/b
Two-Tone paint: Moonlight Blue w/Light Prairie Tan Accent
4.6L Auto 4X2
3.55ls 255/70r16
Premium sound w/6Disc changer
Captains chairs

 

Toyota may have been a 4x4, so it could have been an unfair comparison, but that doesn't change the fact that Ford 4x2 crumbled like a beer can. I have a '01 F150 HDS 4x2, and bias/conspiracy or not, this does worry me.

Anyway, if there was an insurance company conspiracy, so far, the rates don't bear that out. I just insured my truck at rates below what I was quoted a month ago while I was searching for a truck...

 

Hey guys, I may have found the major cause of the cab to deform so badly. If you review the video, you'll notice the box of the F-150 slam into the back of the cab causing the two doors to pop open. You also notice the cab and the box on the other trucks keep fairly separated, but when the box does come forward and make contact, the small door buckles. Check the video out and look for this.

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TRD? = TERD?

 

Hmmm... that is odd.

But what is even more odd is a Toyota owner calling all of us out?!?!? Better look both ways before crossing the street.

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