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Old 08-29-2011, 10:59 PM
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Way off topic but, strange why have I never seen a picture of your truck.
Your sig makes me so curious
 
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Old 08-30-2011, 08:38 AM
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Yep... Pretty far off topic...
 
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Old 08-30-2011, 09:11 AM
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:18 AM
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Okay it's as nice as I figured.
Continue with whatever other stupidity was goin on here.
 
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:24 AM
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I figure that since we've solved all of the world's energy supply issues for all time with a cobbled-together backyard system we can just kick back and relax for a while.
 
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:34 AM
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Sounds good to me broman.
Reminds me of a group of technical drawing and shop teachers that were making a system using those steel plates and I think maybe it was chlorine? Or straight chloride..
Anyway it was supposed to yield like 75% better gas mileage. I lololololol'd at him everyday when he would talk about this crap.
And it was going on his mustang II with a 4 banger
 
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:36 AM
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lololololol'd


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Old 08-30-2011, 10:41 AM
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uh...
 
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by bigboy5011
I didnt know we had a noble winning scientist on the forum, good to know when I need to help my fiance with her chem!
What he said was just basic thermodynamics.

Originally Posted by bigboy5011
The generator used runs on either 12v or 24v systems depending on the engine being used. The people who run around saying it takes to much power to seperate and what not are just going with the along with the media...
Nobody is saying it takes "too much power" to separate the hydrogen, just that the amount of energy it takes to do so is greater than the energy you get from using said hydrogen.

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And they did find a way to help with the "takes more power to produce then it supplies" problem. They have a weird unit that hooks to a wheel and has a small generator that works on a turbine kind of thing. Similar to a toyota prius has and such...guess it is suppose to produce 80% of the power you need while crusing.
Ok, so the "weird unit" on the wheel creates power, great, do you know how it does that?

In order to run the "small generator" the "weird device" has to draw a parasitic load from the wheel. Said another way, the axle acts like a drive shaft to power the "weird device". Only problem is, since the axle is acting as a drive shaft and now turns both the wheel and the "weird device", more power is needed to turn the axle, which requires the engine burn more fuel than it otherwise would. At this point you've just lost any "gains" from the "weird device" because however much energy the "weird device" created (electrical in this case) is less than the energy required to run the "weird device" (burning fuel to turn the engine, to turn the drive shaft, to turn the axle, to power the "weird device").

On top of that, you said the hydrogen separator runs of 12v or 24v. So the "weird device" creates power to run the separator, but now you lose even more energy because no electrical device is 100% efficient. So here again, whatever power you put into the water, you get less total energy in the system once the hydrogen is separated.

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I dont have a phd in chem, but I do have decent knowledge with gases and engines...But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Scientific laws are not opinion.

Since you don't know much about chem the underlying issue is this: every different type of combustible fuel has a finite amount of energy stored within its chemical bonds. When you burn the fuel you liberate that energy. You can do all kinds of things with that energy, but one thing you cannot do is create more energy than you started with.

That's like saying you can eat a 2 pound steak then take a 3 pound dump.

Now if you want to lean out your engine like other people with HHO systems have done, be my guest. Leaning out an engine can increase MPGs, but you'll pay for it in the long run with damage to the engine and supporting systems.

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Old 08-30-2011, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by NCSU_05_FX4

That's like saying you can eat a 2 pound steak then take a 3 pound dump.


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