Any idea how I can get ahold of an SVO catalog?

 

You can order one at your Ford dealer or get one mail order through either Jeg's or Summit Racing

 

I know I missed this from a little while back, but when you talked about not wanting a 351 because it wieghed more. The 302 and 351W are the same block as far as I know, so the weight should be the same. If you are going to rebuild, I would go with a 351 as the well known saying goes, "there is no substitute for cubic inches." IMHO, a moderately built 351 would be more reliable than a 302 with a supercharger. Thats what I would do, and probably eventually will with my truck.

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Rob
89 F150 4X4
300 I-6
For Off Road Driving

 

Well, to piggyback... I have decided NOT to supercharge this 302. It is not a strong engine--with only 185 horsepower, stock. www.ford-performance.com makes a 400 horsepower 351W. For less than the cost of a supercharger, I can obtain the engine. Computer stuff would still need work, but the upshot is that I'd have an engine that produces 400 horsepower with no additions. That's strong! I would have reliable power and performance at all RPMs, without having to worry about supercharger details and problems.

So once I complete my upcoming tour overseas, that's the plan. I think some shovie-driver heads will turn when they find they can't keep up with my sleepy-looking truck.... :-)

Now, my main concern is that the 351w won't act like a truck engine. For example, a 302 in the Mustang vice a 302 in a truck are two different beasts. A truck engine should have a flat torque curve, a car engine is tuned for power.

Does the intake dictate this, or do cams? I'd want truck cams used in the 351w rebuild and trucklike performance. Was the 351w used in any cars or was it specifically used for pickup applications?

-Mike

 

Actually the 302 has 195hp and 275 ft/lbs in torque for 91.s

Some crown Vic's had 351's, but I am not sure about the years.

The blocks are practically the same except for the increased height that was mentioned. Your brackets should exchange except that you need an adapter from Summit or PAW or Ford that will account for the 1/2" difference. You also need to change the harmonic balancer and flywheel, I believe the 302 uses a 50 oz. counter balance while the 351W uses a 28 1/2 oz. counter balance.

needed for swap:
-Adapter for accessory brackets: I believe you can purchase this from Ford. The 351W is about 1 1/2" taller than the 302 (and about 40 lbs heavier).

-Intake manifold (manifolds won't swap)

-Flexplate (if automatic): 302, I believe, uses a 50 oz counter balance, while the 351W uses 28 1/2 oz.

-Harmonic balancer

-Front cover on timing chain: I think this is different

-Oil pan may be different also



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the 87-94's had 185 hp and 270 ft/lbs, the 95-96's has 195 hp and 275 ft/lbs

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Its big, its burgundy, its bad, and its a beast

 

You are wrong! 1985-1990's had 185. 1991-1993's had 195 and 1994(MA system) had 205 hp. I have been told this by many people. Including several mechanics, and a Ford mechanic. It even says so in the Brochures.


Mike, I was thinking about your 351 swap, Is the engine a Crate motor? Most crate's don't come with ignitions or intakes. So EFI may be out of the question, unless you get a MA or run a Carb. Someone else may have a better opinion on this issue.

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Not sure if it's a Crate or not...

Take a look at what's offered, check out www.ford-performance.com. I believe the engine comes with most things you mentioned. Crate or not, it's a heavily modified 351w. Supposed to be emissions-legal.

I will check into the items you mentioned, and appreciate the help. Please take a gander at the website and let me know what you think!

-Mike

 

the site must be down this afternoon. I'll check it this evening, and reply then.

 

Make that www.ford-power.com. Sorry.

-Mike

 

Interesting place...Eventually I plan to build my 302 or build a 351 too, especially if I can get it cheaper. I may end up ditching EFI in place of a carb. In fact, this summer, I am going to rebuild my 302 in my 89 F-150 with a little help and my goal is 300 hp. I plan on running a Edelbrock intake and carb combo, and of course a hotter cam. I guess I'm in a little luck because it has the AOD tranny. Which isn't electronic. I may end up just building a 351/400 4-bolt, but I would like to keep the serpentine system, and the Ac intact. I may run into a little trouble....

You are looking at the 385hp 351? From the sounds of it, it looks like a built-up rebuild, which is a good deal, I like it! You can get a 351 cheaper than a 302...

The only thing you might want to remember is that it doesn't say anything about including an intake or or ignition. Our SD systems are too weak for this kind of power. Ever considered a Carb?

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Heheheh... Well, I'd prefer to stay with EFI if I can. At the risk of showing my inexperience... I asked the fellow at the ford-power site if I could convert to mass air with the 351w rebuild. I'd like to avoid carbs if possible. But, hey, whatever it takes. 385hp cannot be argued with.

That would definitely turn some heads...

I asked about various intake issues, as you mentioned earlier. Also about the details of mounting the engine and about reprogramming the computer. We'll see what they say...

-Mike

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I would perfer to stay with EFI myself, easier to maintain and etc. I helped rebuild my 83's 302 back to factory specs, 4-week job. Easy to do.

The only problem is I don't to spend 600 bucks on a MA system and get the same mpgs as a 4-barrel Edelbrock.

By the way, How do you like your interior? I have the 89 and the 93, and the interior in the 89 is more complete. It has WAY more leg room-dash doesn't stick out as far, and it looks better, I like the window switches on the lower side, the only thing I hate is haveing to reach WAY down to flip the radio, which only has 2 front speakers! Poor! I don't have the factory tach, darn it! so when I rebuild, guess I'll get a aftermarket.

I also like the 87-91 style best of all too. It looks cleaner, and more subtle than the 92-97's did.

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Mike,
The Crane 284 cam they're talking about using in the 385 HP engine makes power in the 2800-6000 RPM range and is not certified as smog-legal. The 272 cam they use in the 365 HP engine makes power in the 2000-5000 RPM range but it is also not certified smog legal. In some jurisdictions, notably California, a vehicle will fail for non-certified parts, even if it passes the tailpipe test. The tree-huggers are only going to make things worse for us as time goes on, so it may be unwise to sink a ton of money into an engine that's not 100% CA legal. Just my $.02.



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I have a 96 F150 with the 302, and it loves the gas, If I understand correctly, changing out my O2 sensor to a new one, MAY yield better mileage and performance? I have 81k on the 302....also 4XFORD, what part of Connecticut are ya from?