A quick thanks for AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE

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Old Jul 2, 2014 | 07:50 AM
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The sad thing is, there is nobody to keep him/them accountable for all the lies that were spewed. The people that were in favor of this reform truly believed what was being said. That is what I find to be really sad. People were duped into this fantasy of "free" healthcare and now we have to live with the results. And I say "we," as the American people, because Congress saw it fit to exempt themselves from this "ground breaking" legislation.

It's so great they'll fine you if you don't comply!
People weren't duped. The people who voted for that piece of crap (not just ad homenem attack - he's a piece of crap for how he's destroying and deviding our nation) DO NOT CARE about ANYTHING but supporting that *** and his ilk.

So a piece of policy f's up our country? So what? The people who elected and support POTUS DO NOT CARE because POTUS will tell them - in the face of evidence - 'Uh...this was GOOD for us!'. That's what they want - a liar who lies about things that make them FEEL GOOD.

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Old Jul 2, 2014 | 11:59 AM
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Personal accountability, ethics, honor, integrity....all but extinct character traits that have no place in new politics. And this is not an accident.

Problem is, people are so self-defined by political leanings they can't see the forest for the trees.

Being a political atheist, who commits not one ounce of energy toward the political fallacy, I define myself by my Creator and what He says. Not exactly a popular statement, but at least I am sane enough to know the political system is 2 legs leading to the same blood-sucking insect.

Nothing ever gets better, easier, more convenient. Shipping our military all over creation has not done a single thing to make us more free or safe- in fact, it has done just the opposite. It has allowed the parasitic Fabians, oligarchs, Marxists, and fiends of society to spread their various pathos unabated.

And....pharmaceuticals are artificial substances....chemicals that have no place in a natural organism. None at all. Cures are everywhere, but American health care sells treatment- and quite well. Keep the host sick, but feeling "ok". Shoot, people are more careful about what the wear or put in their vehicles than their own body and mind...

Insanity....doing the same things over and over expecting different results.

/Rant off.
I consider myself a "skeptic" of all types of medicines. I refuse to take pain killers unless absolutely necessary, refuse to accept long-term drugs as the solution to a problem, etc. However, herbs and homeopathics don't get rid of infections or cancer. Each have their place, but both are necessary. Ignorance of either is, well, ignorant IMO.

I also am not even 20 years old and have two bad knees (had surgery on one and need it on the other but whatever is torn wont show up on MRI or X-ray), 3 messed up disks in T5-8 (herniated, compressed, and dehydrated), and concussion-caused migraines, along with a slew of other issues, none of which any traditional doctor has any clue on how to fix, or even what caused some of them. So I'm definitely not completely defending Western medicine.
 

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Old Jul 2, 2014 | 03:33 PM
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Old Jul 2, 2014 | 07:39 PM
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However, herbs and homeopathics don't get rid of infections or cancer. Each have their place, but both are necessary. Ignorance of either is, well, ignorant IMO.
On this I beg to differ. Cancer is a very easy disease to cure- in fact, doing absolutely nothing raises your chance of survival many times over. That is a fact. Cancer is not the real killer, starvation is. People starve from treatment. This takes a mind willing to step away from Oz and challenging the profit motivations of the medical industry which is a full 25% of the US economy.

Cancer is essentially a fungus, or perhaps more accurately- all neoplasts are the result of fungus. It has many cures, and a healthy organism (body) fights off hundreds of cancer incidents daily just by having a solid immune system. But...opinions don't change easily, especially when deeply ingrained from years of being "trained" by the "trainers" out there. I have personal experience with this. I am a med-school dropout and have done a fair amount of due diligence and gained much insight into cancer over the past 12 years. It is not a death sentence, and in fact it does not scare me in the least. However...being unlicensed by the establishment, I'd be ridiculed and labeled as a charlatan or worse. No problem. This is not an opinion per se, and I don't expect anyone to agree with me, nor do I require it, but yes, I could cure cancer. It's not that difficult.

And infections? Any infection can be cured without medicine with simple food items along with a change in diet.

I challenge you to challenge your thinking and explore. It may rock your world. Or listen to the number one killers of all human life the world over- medical doctors. You are up to 1300% more likely to be killed by a doctor than a rogue shooter. And that is also a fact. Your due diligence...
 
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Old Jul 2, 2014 | 09:14 PM
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^I'm sorry, but much of that contains word and fact twisting to suit your case. There's no way more people are killed by doctors than any other single cause. More than shooters, sure, but that other statement is not true. Also keep in mind that US healthcare and an African with a syringe that's been used 10 times are not the same thing. And lastly, if you already have a serious medical condition, a doctor being unable to cure your condition is not "killing" you, you probably would have died anyway.

If any reasonable cure for cancer existed, no matter what it was, I bet it would be more widespread than just some little "secret." It's not "very easy" to cure. Now, is loading the body up with chemo radiation the best way to "solve" the problem, perhaps not. Leukemia is a big issue, post-chemo. Stating that doing nothing increases your chance of survival is complete BS. That doesn't even make sense.

Having had MRSA once, changing my diet wouldn't have done squat. It's already in you and on its way to messing you up something fierce, like amputation fierce.

I'm enjoying this debate, so please don't mistake any of my words as inflammatory, just direct. Like I said before, each has their place. But relying solely on one or the other is NOT a good idea IMO.
 

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Old Jul 2, 2014 | 11:29 PM
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No sir- no offense taken, nor do I intend any. But like I said...I challenge you to challenge your thinking with hard study- APART from the medical establishment. You'd have to have a vested interest to devote the time, for sure. I have devoted thousands of hours over the years on this. Not blowing my horn, just stating. I HAVE eradicated cancer in my dad when the doctors gave up on him and gave him less than 2 weeks when it had metastasized beyond their control. They put him in hospice care after it had spread throughout his spinal column, lungs and lymph system- small cell squamous variety too. He began to quickly recover, and when the improvement came, and CAT scans were run- all that cancer that spread rampant in his body was gone. Not a trace. There was no chemo or other drugs as he could not tolerate them and went into shock when first tried.

So that's one bit of experience. It was trial, based on simply time poured over the study of it...I just knew that as a metabolic disease, there was a metabolic solution without destroying the host (him). Your body knows how to rid itself of cancer- it's doing it right now. Problem comes when It gets out of control due to a compromised immune system. Simply, your diet will do that, along with external exacerbators. So I stand by my statement- doing nothing gives you a statistically better chance at survival- simply change your diet.

Anyway- a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. It's your will that will not let you see some things- and the deeply held opinions passed down through generations. That's true of all of us. In some countries...the US is a bit of a laughing stock for our food, disease, and many other social ills. Some 4 dozen countries will not even accept our food- that ought to say something.

Am I saying ALL medicines are useless? No. There is a lot of useful "medicine" out there, but it is not of the big pharma variety. Big pharmas exist only to patent and corner the profit market while offering treatment, not cure. In centuries past, medicines were made form the natural flora that was available in each locale. No chemicals, no synthesis. That's how we are made.

Putting chemicals inside you to cure something is like putting a steak and potatoes in your gas tank to power your truck.

The info is out there. The knowledge and wisdom still exists. Medical Inc. can't profit from it though...it's kinda all about the money.
 
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 12:11 AM
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No sir- no offense taken, nor do I intend any. But like I said...I challenge you to challenge your thinking with hard study- APART from the medical establishment. You'd have to have a vested interest to devote the time, for sure. I have devoted thousands of hours over the years on this. Not blowing my horn, just stating. I HAVE eradicated cancer in my dad when the doctors gave up on him and gave him less than 2 weeks when it had metastasized beyond their control. They put him in hospice care after it had spread throughout his spinal column, lungs and lymph system- small cell squamous variety too. He began to quickly recover, and when the improvement came, and CAT scans were run- all that cancer that spread rampant in his body was gone. Not a trace. There was no chemo or other drugs as he could not tolerate them and went into shock when first tried.

So that's one bit of experience. It was trial, based on simply time poured over the study of it...I just knew that as a metabolic disease, there was a metabolic solution without destroying the host (him). Your body knows how to rid itself of cancer- it's doing it right now. Problem comes when It gets out of control due to a compromised immune system. Simply, your diet will do that, along with external exacerbators. So I stand by my statement- doing nothing gives you a statistically better chance at survival- simply change your diet.

Anyway- a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. It's your will that will not let you see some things- and the deeply held opinions passed down through generations. That's true of all of us. In some countries...the US is a bit of a laughing stock for our food, disease, and many other social ills. Some 4 dozen countries will not even accept our food- that ought to say something.

Am I saying ALL medicines are useless? No. There is a lot of useful "medicine" out there, but it is not of the big pharma variety. Big pharmas exist only to patent and corner the profit market while offering treatment, not cure. In centuries past, medicines were made form the natural flora that was available in each locale. No chemicals, no synthesis. That's how we are made.

Putting chemicals inside you to cure something is like putting a steak and potatoes in your gas tank to power your truck.

The info is out there. The knowledge and wisdom still exists. Medical Inc. can't profit from it though...it's kinda all about the money.
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 02:06 AM
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In regards to affordable healthcare, My otherwise intelligent brain got to thinking what if there was a planned epidemic? Would that scare tactic force people into Obamacare? And then my brain went into hyper drive and here we have illegals at Lackland AFB in San Antonio, some with severe contagious diseases that your POS president was going to let out into the public sector. Now wouldn't that make Obamacare seem like a winner. Yep, just flood the country with diseased illegals and you become a winner....while people die from it. Have you had enough of this POS yet?

In regards to cancer treatments. I have a good friend that is a diesel whizz kid, well he's not a kid anymore but. He had lung cancer at the young age of 35 and went thru all of the chemo and crap and it didn't do anything. They gave him 6 months or less to live. He's still alive at age 69. He's also cancer free. How did he do it? Diet. Who'da thought diet was key in some cancers. According to the doctors he's a walking miracle but he'll tell you otherwise. He got off of any sugars and anything that said Enriched on it. Most breads have enriched flour as do most foods made from flours. Can't say it works everytime as I have no experience with it and don't want any either but it worked for Jerry.
 
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 06:51 AM
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Bingo bro! Hard to find, but their is only one- ONE- wheat that has never been altered. It is the original wheat, and fine for anyone, even those with gluten intolerance can eat it. It is the flour from Einkorn wheat berries.

All other wheat (arguably responsible for most Western disease) is altered. Today's wheat is the bane of our existence. And cancer loves it, loves sugars, thrives in it, fuels it.
 
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 07:44 AM
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I've heard a lot about the wheat issue... where do you find that other wheat?
 
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 09:46 AM
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In regards to affordable healthcare, My otherwise intelligent brain got to thinking what if there was a planned epidemic? Would that scare tactic force people into Obamacare? And then my brain went into hyper drive and here we have illegals at Lackland AFB in San Antonio, some with severe contagious diseases that your POS president was going to let out into the public sector. Now wouldn't that make Obamacare seem like a winner. Yep, just flood the country with diseased illegals and you become a winner....while people die from it. Have you had enough of this POS yet?

In regards to cancer treatments. I have a good friend that is a diesel whizz kid, well he's not a kid anymore but. He had lung cancer at the young age of 35 and went thru all of the chemo and crap and it didn't do anything. They gave him 6 months or less to live. He's still alive at age 69. He's also cancer free. How did he do it? Diet. Who'da thought diet was key in some cancers. According to the doctors he's a walking miracle but he'll tell you otherwise. He got off of any sugars and anything that said Enriched on it. Most breads have enriched flour as do most foods made from flours. Can't say it works everytime as I have no experience with it and don't want any either but it worked for Jerry.
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studied their sick plan to take down a free society and make it a government dictated state. Overwhelm the system until it collapses. Then the citizens will beg for the government to take over. We need to rid ourselves of this sub-human trash.
 
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Old Jul 3, 2014 | 07:22 PM
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You go Aussie! I gots me a load of family down-under btw...NSW.

As for the wheat question, google einkorn wheat. You can get it from Amazon or Vitacost somewhat reasonably. Emmer/Farro is a nice second option but is a kind of spelt.

When I am careless about my wheat intake I gain weight, get arthritic, sluggish, constipated- the whole lot. Fat don't make you fat or sick- wheat does.
 
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I've been gone a while, sorry for the resurrection. When the ACA was being debated I read the entire law. My dad thought it was a good thing. I told him the things that were in the law and how I thought it would be applied. He didn't believe me, dug his heels in and supported the law even more. Fast forward to last summer. My dad was complaining about the ACA. I told him his complaints were the logical/planned outcomes from the law and I told him told about them before the law was passed. He got very upset and denied we even had the discussion.

Since the ACA sets out the floor for insurance, it is a only a matter of time before all policies look like the plans outlined in the ACA or they are too expensive to buy. My wife has medical conditions that result in a predictable cost for her treatment. Under the ACA her expenses go from $2-3k per year to $8-10k. That was also explained to my dad who didn't believe it. Once the law passed and started to be implemented I showed him on paper that he just screwed me harder than a cheap hooker in San Fran on Navy night. All he could do was look in disbelief and say "okay". All I could say was "thank you".
 
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My wife just did our taxes yesterday and said there was just a yes or no check box that asked if you had insurance. No accountability or verification past that. Just a check box.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2015 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Simply67X
You go Aussie! I gots me a load of family down-under btw...NSW.

As for the wheat question, google einkorn wheat. You can get it from Amazon or Vitacost somewhat reasonably. Emmer/Farro is a nice second option but is a kind of spelt.

When I am careless about my wheat intake I gain weight, get arthritic, sluggish, constipated- the whole lot. Fat don't make you fat or sick- wheat does.
67X.......I'm not Aus. But I do have a herd of Aussie Sheppards. By the way, they are not from Aus. , they were bred in the upper mid-west.
 
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