THIS, friends, is truly disgusting!

Old Oct 10, 2012 | 03:54 PM
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THIS, friends, is truly disgusting!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ceo-wo...131640914.html

So, he's "cut back" on his own, personal expenditures and is running "lean and mean", huh? Bless his heart! I guess he had to scale back to only two elevators in his humble abode instead of three.

This is precisely the type of garbage that boils my blood, and he is a perfect example of someone who truly can afford to pay more taxes. This guy couldn't identify with his "employees" anymore than Romney can relate to me.

Not everybody in the infamous "47%" crowd is a deadbeat. Sometimes people get down on their luck, and in our current economic situation, it's happening all too often. What's sad is this guy will only add more 47 percent-ers to the economic landscape just so he can enjoy the same lavish standard of living to which he's grown accustomed.

Just disgusting.
 
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 03:59 PM
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That's not nearly as "disgusting" as this: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...pay-larger-sh/

IF you ran a business, you would know that onerous taxes and regulations is a major job killer in this country. I've had to personally lay-off 2 people in the last year because of it.

 
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank S
That's not nearly as "disgusting" as this: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...pay-larger-sh/

IF you ran a business, you would know that onerous taxes and regulations is a major job killer in this country. I've had to personally lay-off 2 people in the last year because of it.

Does the "indifferent looking coffee drinker" emoticon reflect your feelings on having to lay off 2 people?

And I've run two different businesses of my own. I understand how it works. Regardless of how a person tries to dress it up, greed is greed.

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IF you ran a business, you would know that onerous taxes and regulations is a major job killer in this country.
Edit: Outsourcing jobs overseas is also quite the job killer in this country.
 

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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 04:08 PM
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It's actually not so much disgusting (to me) as it is scary. To have the CEO of a company effectively control his employees voting like this should be an action that lands him in jail.

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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 04:11 PM
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It's actually not so much disgusting (to me) as it is scary. To have the CEO of a company effectively control his employees voting like this should be an action that lands him in jail.

- Jack
I'll second that.

However, this is typical far-right stuff. If you can't convince people to see your side of things by making good, common sense, scare them into your corner.

Again: Disgusting, and yes, scary.
 
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DewserB
Does the "indifferent looking coffee drinker" emoticon reflect your feelings on having to lay off 2 people?

And I've run two different businesses of my own. I understand how it works. Regardless of how a person tries to dress it up, greed is greed.



Edit: Outsourcing jobs overseas is also quite the job killer in this country.
That's just a lurker emoticon. They're on just about every board.

As for outsourcing. It is a direct result of the tax and regulation conditions in this country. Don't blame the result, blame the source.

As for greed, Milt differs from your POV:

 
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JackandJanet
It's actually not so much disgusting (to me) as it is scary. To have the CEO of a company effectively control his employees voting like this should be an action that lands him in jail.

- Jack
What's even more scary is for you to say he should be thrown in jail for expressing his opinion in a free country. Gov't workers and union thugs try to get their members/underlings to vote how they want every election, but I don't think they should be thrown in jail for it.
 
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What's even more scary is for you to say he should be thrown in jail for expressing his opinion in a free country. Gov't workers and union thugs try to get their members/underlings to vote how they want every election, but I don't think they should be thrown in jail for it.
Sorry Frank, I cannot agree. This appears to me to be unlawful coercion. I know I would have faced VERY harsh punishment had I attempted to influence any of the people I supervised in this manner while I was in the Air Force and I would have faced similar consequences had I attempted to do this kind of thing to students in the classes I taught at the University.

I don't know where you get your information regarding Government workers, but I know of several military commanders who have gotten into serious trouble over actions like this. Last I heard, the military was a Government operation.

Having never been a union member, I have no direct knowledge of that part of society.

It's one thing to express an "opinion". It's quite another thing to back up that opinion with a threat. I'm surprised you can't see the difference.

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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 04:51 PM
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yea this kinda crap ticks me off too. total lack of personal responsibility out there in america today.
 
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Originally Posted by JackandJanet
Sorry Frank, I cannot agree. This appears to me to be unlawful coercion. I know I would have faced VERY harsh punishment had I attempted to influence any of the people I supervised in this manner while I was in the Air Force and I would have faced similar consequences had I attempted to do this kind of thing to students in the classes I taught at the University.

I don't know where you get your information regarding Government workers, but I know of several military commanders who have gotten into serious trouble over actions like this. Last I heard, the military was a Government operation.

Having never been a union member, I have no direct knowledge of that part of society.

It's one thing to express an "opinion". It's quite another thing to back up that opinion with a threat. I'm surprised you can't see the difference.

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I think you are reading threats into his statements that simply are not there.

The purpose of the article is to play into your bias and incite jealousy and class envy before the election. It worked - You have been played.


Try and read his comments again. He's not threatening to fire people who choose to vote for Obama. He's not preventing his workers from doing their own research, and he encourages them to make an informed choice.

Siegel stressed that he wasn't out to intimidate his workers into voting for Romney. "I can't tell anyone to vote," he said. But he wants to make sure his workers made an informed choice.

Basically, you want to throw him in jail because you got manipulated by a journalist.
 
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I think you are reading threats into his statements that simply are not there.

The purpose of the article is to play into your bias and incite jealousy and class envy before the election. It worked - You have been played.


Try and read his comments again. He's not threatening to fire people who choose to vote for Obama. He's not preventing his workers from doing their own research, and he encourages them to make an informed choice.

Siegel stressed that he wasn't out to intimidate his workers into voting for Romney. "I can't tell anyone to vote," he said. But he wants to make sure his workers made an informed choice.

Basically, you want to throw him in jail because you got manipulated by a journalist.




Oh! By the way, Frank...that ^ is the "lurk" emoticon.
 
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JackandJanet
Sorry Frank, I cannot agree. This appears to me to be unlawful coercion. I know I would have faced VERY harsh punishment had I attempted to influence any of the people I supervised in this manner while I was in the Air Force and I would have faced similar consequences had I attempted to do this kind of thing to students in the classes I taught at the University.

I don't know where you get your information regarding Government workers, but I know of several military commanders who have gotten into serious trouble over actions like this. Last I heard, the military was a Government operation.

Having never been a union member, I have no direct knowledge of that part of society.

It's one thing to express an "opinion". It's quite another thing to back up that opinion with a threat. I'm surprised you can't see the difference.

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As a former union member, I will tell you that you even receive mailings telling you how to vote. As for the government: http://www.westernjournalism.com/faa...vote-democrat/

There's plenty more where that came from if you open your eyes and ears.

I'm not surprised that you can't see the difference between a "threat" and foreshadowing what will happen under 4 more years of Oblammo. His policies will cause more lay-offs and job losses. Notice that Mr.Siegel didn't single out employees, he's just stating a fact. Liberals like you just refuse to admit that these policies are deleterious to the economy. I had to lay off people as a direct result of Obamacare coming online. It was either lay off 2 workers or reduce healthcare benefits for everyone to a below acceptable level.
 

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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 05:11 PM
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Oh! By the way, Frank...that ^ is the "lurk" emoticon.
Gold star for you, Dewser.

I'm curious. What happened with your 2 businesses you used to run?
 
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As a former union member, I will tell you that you even receive mailings telling you how to vote. As for the government: http://www.westernjournalism.com/faa...vote-democrat/

There's plenty more where that came from if you open your eyes and ears.

I'm not surprised that you can't see the difference between a "threat" and foreshadowing what will happen under 4 more years of Oblammo. His policies will cause more lay-offs and job losses. Notice that Mr.Siegel didn't single out employees, he's just stating a fact. Liberals like you just refuse to admit that these policies are deleterious to the economy. I had to lay off people as a direct result of Obamacare coming online. It was either lay off 2 workers or reduce healthcare benefits for everyone to a below acceptable level.
Gosh, Frank - nice of you to post that link confirming what I told you about Government workers and the penalties involved if there was improper political coercion from supervisors!

As I said though, I've never belonged to a union. So, I can only learn from members (or former members like you) to inform me about the inner workings of that group. I guess though, if it's all right for Siegel to intimidate his workers, then it's all right for union officials to use the same "persuasive" methods, eh? Oh yes, I agree that Siegel tries to portray himself in his email as a benevolent patriarch, but if you can't see through that facade, then I doubt you'd understand why I'm upset about this and, if true, the similar threats at the FAA.

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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 06:26 PM
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I admit that I'm not comfortable with what Mr. Siegel said, but throwing him in jail for it? Nope.

Like Dave said, you allowed yourself to be manipulated by a reporter.
 
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