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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 08:42 PM
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LS vs locker

tryin to decide what to do unfortunatly i bought one of the unlucky 02 fx4s and didnt get a limited slip rear end and was wonderin what yall perfered limited slip or a full locker but it is my daily driver and i occasionally off road thanks
 
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 02:55 AM
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i geuss it all depends on how intense the runs are that u go on
i myself would get a locker
 
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Old Feb 24, 2009 | 01:33 PM
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I'm saving up to put a rear locker in my daily driver...
 
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 11:47 PM
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 12:32 AM
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I would go with one of these
http://www.4wheelparts.com/Drivetrai...5589&t_pl=9664
 
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 01:42 PM
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Ya I would go with a selectable locker. Thats what im going for anyways. The only problem is that they dont make a elocker or a ARB air locker for a Ford 9.75 so if thats the rear end you have you will have to go with a Detroit if you want a true locker.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 03:35 PM
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Get a hard locker. You're setting yourself up for disappointment with an LS. They will never lock up when you really need it. End of story.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 08:22 PM
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Old Apr 9, 2009 | 04:42 PM
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The new F150s come with an E-locker from GKN, but I don't know if you can get your hands on one of them. I would shoot GKN driveline an email and see if they would hook you up, or go through your Ford dealer to see if you could buy it as like a factory add on through them. Since you have a post 01 F150 the splines are the same size as the current model so everything should check out.
Hope that helps.

O, if that plan is too expensive or not possible, get the Detroit Locker because like others have already mentioned, you're gonna be disappointed with a limited slip.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2009 | 05:04 PM
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I just e-mailed ARB and they said they are in the testing phase for the locker on the 9.75 so hopeful soon they release it
 
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Old Apr 9, 2009 | 10:27 PM
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I wish they needed my truck to test a locker, lol. Also, has anyone looked into the idea of swapping in an '09 FX4 locker into older ones.
 
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Old Apr 10, 2009 | 10:46 AM
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I have a limited slip and it works pritty well ive had it stuck in mudd and sand and bout tires spin. my buddy had a locker and it was nice till he was on the street and when he turned it made bad vibrations
 
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 4x4wolf
I just e-mailed ARB and they said they are in the testing phase for the locker on the 9.75 so hopeful soon they release it
ill be happy to be a guinea pig for that. im planning on re-gearing somewhere along the line so that would be the perfect opportunity.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2009 | 02:54 PM
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This is for anyone wondering what all the different names/types/brands/models/variations of differential do, and why you might want one over another. Most of the links take you to a manufacturer's official tech page, including an exploded view of the particular diff, and a detailed explanation of how it works.

An automotive differential is a mechanism for dividing the engine's power between 2 shafts, most often between the 2 axleshafts within an axle. It typically involves a "carrier" which contains 4-6 bevel gears; 2-4 pointing to the center (usually 2 on a "pinion shaft" perpendicular to the carrier's axis) commonly called "spider gears", and 1 on each axleshaft concentric with the carrier's rotation. When the vehicle is rolling straight, the spider gears don't rotate on the pinion shaft, but merely convey power from the carrier (which is driven by the ring & pinion gears) to the axle gears which ultimately turn the tires. During a turn, the spider gears spin to allow one axle to turn faster than the other. The problem is that the spider gears can spin fast enough to allow ALL the power to go to ONE axleshaft, leaving the other NOT TURNING AT ALL. This is an "open" differential and is used on almost all production vehicles; front, rear, or all-wheel drive. Some 4WD vehicles are manufactured with open diffs.

The easiest solution to the wheel spin allowed by an open diff is to eliminate all differentiation by either replacing the carrier & its contents with a solid piece of metal called a "spool", or by making the carrier & its contents solid by welding everything together (a "Lincoln Locker" named for the brand of welding machine), or by replacing only the contents of the carrier with a "mini-spool". But this produces unpredictable behavior on-road (especially on ice), accelerated tire wear, & poor steering response.

A better solution is to limit how fast the spider gears can turn by braking the axle gears - "limited slip". This involves simple springs pushing on friction materials inside the carrier, but sometimes requires additives to the oil. They also wear constantly, so they require service to continue to function. Also, they can be easily overwhelmed by wear, engine power, or driveline torque (big tires or a heavy vehicle). Some brands of LSD's are Ford's Trac-Lok (made by Eaton), GM's Positraction (also now made by Eaton), Dana's Hydra-Lok, and Auburn LSD, and each uses a specific carrier different from the open diff's.

An even better solution is "torque biasing" in which a mechanism varies the braking effect to send the torque to the tire with traction. This type uses even more unusual carriers. GM's Gov-Lock uses an extremely complex & delicate arrangement of springs, counterweights, and clutches to do an effective job, but they’re famous for exploding when over-revved. The Tractech (now owned by Eaton) True-Trac uses a much simpler, more robust, & more elegant arrangement of helical gears, but still suffers from wear. Zexel's TorSen claims not to suffer from wear and is made in 3 configurations, but is only available for a few axles & transaxles.

A solution that virtually eliminates wear is the Tractech (now owned by Eaton) Detroit Locker, which uses toothed rings held in engagement by heavy springs to transmit power from the ring gear to the axleshafts. They replace the stock carrier, but require no modification to the axle housing. There is no differentiation (in the pure sense) since they act as a spool, but the differential effect is still achieved when the rings disengage under extreme driveline torque, momentarily allowing one axle to freewheel to relieve the torque. There are many copies of this design marketed under many names, and there are also "mini" versions which replace only the contents of the carrier but are considered far weaker. While VERY effective & dependable (except minis), these show the same unpredictability as a spool when driven on ice. Some also produce an audible popping during normal on-road operation which bothers some drivers.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2009 | 02:55 PM
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The last & most functional type is the "selectable locker" which gives the driver direct & immediate control to change from an open diff to a spool, and a recently-introduced type switches from LSD to spool. A few older 4WD's were manufactured with this feature, and it has recently returned in a few high-end SUVs/SUTs. ARB sells the most popular which uses an air diaphragm in a proprietary carrier to apply force to the clutches that lock the diff. While effective & convenient, it is expensive to buy, expensive to install, and requires an on-board air source which is also expensive. It requires some drilling of the axle housing for the air line to be routed thru, and some owners have found air leaks to be a problem. The Eaton Elocker promises simplicity over the ARB since it uses an electromagnetic solenoid mechanism to lock the diff, but they have little history to judge their quality. Those offered in high-end SUVs/SUTs see little real use. Most early selectable-lockers were cable-operated.

This is an excellent illustrated & animated tutorial on the functioning of differentials, and the rest of the web site is a WEALTH of information & links.
This is another article comparing types of diffs.
 
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