I have the same pro torque as Tommy and mine has help up well also.

 

read this thread has times to back up talk.

http://www.nloc.net/forum/showthread...5&pagenumber=1

first stall way too high

after fixed works great

got a 2 year warranty too!

 

Are those art carr converter's just a single plate converter?


Greg (factory tech) was talking about making his own custom converters for our trucks last time I saw him. He said the first one he built seemed to work great so far but he was going to have someone beat the crap out of it to see if it would hold up to the abuse.

 

So, bottom line, if you want to remove your transmission a couple or more times and pay some extra shipping get an ART Carr torque converter.

 

After reading this thread, I felt the need to post. I'll try to clarify several issues but if anyone who reads this has any further questions, please feel free to email me direct.

First, we at Art Carr Performance will stand behind any converter we sell-either direct or through Lightning Force Performance. I can assure you, we will do anything in our power to make sure you are happy with our converter. I know Mark will do the same. Engine horsepower plays a major role in determining where a converter actually stalls. Simply put, the more power you make, the higher the converter will stall. Easterisland, I am truly sorry that your converter stalls too high in your truck. Please feel free to contact me direct and I will try to help get a tighter converter in your truck asap.

A little history...a little over 2 years ago, we released our high stall Lightning 9.5" converter. Unfortunately, every one of them we built stalled too high. At the time, we didn't have a fix to bring the stall speed back down to work properly in the Lightning so we put the converter on hold. PI had a similar problem at that time as well. In the past few months, we've come up with the combination that works the way it should in the Lightning.

On the multi-disc versus single disc issue, I would be more than happy to discuss that with anyone who wants my opinion. I'm afraid it would be way too lengthy to put in this post! I'm already feeling long-winded as it is.

At any rate, I would stack our converter up with anything else on the market. Besides the performance increases you will see, it carries a 2 year warranty and one year free restall as well. And, Lightning Force Performance is selling them at a lower price than I'm allowed to sell direct. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Dan Berg
Art Carr Sales Manager (we are the original Art Carr-in business 40 years)
888-526-5868
dan@artcarr.com

 

I didn't pay any shipping. They shipped it 2nd air at their cost. Yes first one was way too high but you must not have read the entire post that stated I requested it higher than normal.

They built one in a day and shipped it that day and charged me nothing. I would call that great customer service.

So, Mr. easterisland your last sentence is bogus.

Also forgot to tell you I have no affiliation with Art Carr Performance other than the fact that they did right by me and the converter speaks for itself LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.

If the numbers are good or bad I'll post em, period.

 

So, they didn't charge you shipping. Did they pay for your time or what the shop charged you to install the converter?
I'm not going to take a chance on the Art Carr converter. Like I said I don't want to be a guinea pig on anything dealing with the tranny. It is a major hassle for me to take it out and reinstall.

I'll stick with a proven PI converter or the stock one. Thankyou.

If anyone wants to play a #'s game I can too. The best I've gotten with or without slicks on the Art Carr converter has been a 1.85 60ft. I did mid 1.7's last year with the stock converter...

Bottom line, I don't want an Art Carr converter in my truck. I wouldn't install a free one in my truck, and I would consider giving this to an enemy.

 

Do you think PI would pay for a transmission removal? Don't think so.

If you don't want an art carr converter GOOD 4 U don't get one.

Please don't talk numbers because you obviously know very little to make that statement.

I can back up everything I said. Can u?
Let me answer for you (by reading a reply to my earlier post that u didn't even read correctly). NO.

Sorry but I'm not going with what everyone tells me to use. I'll go with what I know works.

This should probably be the end of this post as it is going nowhere and at this point benefits no-one.

Let me sum it up;
1) easterisland does not like art carr converters
2) mine works great (and costs $300-400 less)

The end.

 

2400 stall is what I ordered. 3800 stall is what I received. I have not heard of Art Carr getting it right the first time. I have heard numerous experiences of those with PI converters who were pleased the first time.

It is a 7 hour job for me and a friend to R&R the tranny. I don't expect that they will refund my time. I have already disputed the credit card charge of the converter and will not use it or one in the future. I hope that those who read this post will choose their converter wisely and not make a mistake like I did.

I'm glad you are happy with your converter you probably would have been happier with a PI because you wouldn't of had to R&R your tranny twice.

 

I too "hope that those who read this post will choose their converter wisely".

 

Wow,,, Converter wars between two customers. I'll tell you what though, I for one have very little time to R n R my tranny twice for one product,, especially if it costs $500,, I'm sure its a great product once working correctly, but to be honest here, another 7 hours of work will cost me more then it would to just spend the $300 more to begin with. If I had the time to mess around like that, and Art Car provided that great customer service, then thats a different story, but i'm afraid most people will throw their firsts in disgust over having to reinstall a converter.

just my opinion though,

~Toast

 

I feel compelled to comment here as well because of the misinformation floating about in regards to converters and the proper testing of said component.

As a caveat, I do sell PI....but have used Art Carr (old and new) for lots of different applications. AC has always taken care of me and would not hesitate to stand by their product.

It is impossible to gauge the actual stall speed of a converter by performing a footbrake test....and NO scantool alive (including a Ford WDS) will tell you the stall speed of the converter. You can see LU (lock up) on a scanner...rpm, load value, VSS, and TP all play a role there.

Do not assume that you are getting a multi-disc converter at the price points MOST of the tuners are selling at.....I can guarantee that you are not, as the multi-discs are a good bit more expensive and not as necessary as many would have you believe.

 

I reinstalled the stock converter last night and I am very pleased. My truck is better than ever.
I'll admit I don't know much about how the transmission in my truck works. I did however have someone with a great deal of experience datalog the truck and show me the power I was losing because of the 3800 stall. He pressed on the gas and brakes, the truck didn't move at all untill we hit 3800 rpm.
It sounds like Art Carr stands behind their product when it fails. I however would like a company to sell an exceptional product that meets some standards. I purchased a 2400 stall and they gave me a 3800 stall.


edit: Transmission as of this morning has a high temp of 171*. That was at 30 minutes of 90mph and some higher speed runs. Compared to a 220+ with the Art Carr.