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Old Jul 27, 2002 | 09:31 PM
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made the plunge.......

Well, after reading the forum for about a year, and then buying a 2001 L, I went to my local high -performance shop and dropped some coin today... ( I really wanted to go with either PSP or JDM, but with the combined exchange rate....62 cents on the dollar, and shipping it was way to costly) ANYWAY, here is what I picked up...hopefully you guys can tell what sort of gains I will expect and if I bought quality merchandise......
1.Borla exhaust system
2. Super Chip
3. Airaid system
....and contemplating the 2lb boost pulley....

....your thoughts??

thanks,
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Old Jul 27, 2002 | 09:45 PM
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I have borla on my 01 and i like it alot. I myself thought the stocker sounded good and the borla is slightly louder and sounds good. Cat-back will not give you any power though. Don't know what tune you have on your chip. I have stage 1 from JDM with their cold/warm flipchip and the 4# pulley which includes their cold air kit. I like it and it moves.
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Old Jul 27, 2002 | 11:49 PM
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Your Airraid kit was designed for '99 and '00s. It's opening is only 80mm. Your stock maf is 90mm.

If you go pulley go minimum of 4, but I would suggest 5 or 6.

You should have gotten your chip from JDM. His programming is AWESOME! Hopefully your Superchip dealer put a good program on there for you. JDM is the only Superchip dealer that actually writes his own programs on the fly, all the other dealers either get the chip w/ a tune on it from Superchips direct, or they burn programs onto chips from Superchips' BBS site. They still can do a custom burn, but they have to call or email Superchips to specify what you want on the chip.

I know I sound like I'm knocking you but I'm not.

Have fun, whatever you do you'll have fun as the mods you have done are a major improvement
 

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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 12:03 AM
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Problem is, those Superchips and Autologic Chips only allow for WOT tuning. You cant dial in any Part Throttle stuff. This is why i went with the Diablo. Less expensive and more programmable.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by Flying ****
Problem is, those Superchips and Autologic Chips only allow for WOT tuning. You cant dial in any Part Throttle stuff. This is why i went with the Diablo. Less expensive and more programmable.
Actually, that's not true. All 3 major chip manufacturers have complete throttle programming, from idle to WOT, and all in between.

That's just a marketing ploy that a lot of dealers (notice I didn't say tuners) use to sway you to their business. I'm a Diablo dealer, so you will know I'm not pulling your chain.

Diablo does offer 4-bank chips, though, whereas other manfacturers don't. That doesn't mean they are better, but just allows you to use 1 chip for multiple computer codes, and also replaces the entire ROM of the computer, instead of just 1 area of the 4 it has. This can be beneficial in some applications, and not in others.
 

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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 12:39 AM
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Thanks for your replies.......just a few things...
Airaid has now selling a kit for the 01-02 L's. Though it is not on their web site yet, I do have the part #, and have bought one.....thought you should know....
The chip I bought has been burnt by Superchip, with Lightning program on it. Will this suffice for now, or am I jeopardizing the engine at all? Does the JDM or Diablo programmers have a higher HP gain with what I am getting?...
Sorry for ignorance, but there reallly is noone to talk to up here in Vancouver about it all...thanks...


Michael
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 01:51 AM
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Talking You only have to ask.

Here is my view, YMMV.

Borla = No performance gain, if you like the sound, go for it.
Airraid = marginal performance, looks good.
Superchip = you need the JDM program.

The best performance to engine reliability trade-off, is a 4# pulley. The 2-pounder makes a difference, but the 4 makes more...
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 03:26 AM
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Thats where i made my mistake...I saw the JET chip on Hot Rod TV (speedvision) and they really made it out to sound alot better then it is .... I kick myself in the a$$ everyday for buying it.. I'm currently saving for the JDM flip.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 07:42 AM
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At the very least I would have gotten a Tuner chip (JDM, PSP etc.). These chips are custom tuned to your set up and are usually not as conservative as the standard program that is used by the major chip manufacturers.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 08:18 AM
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I would have gone the tuner route, atleast with the chip (Johnny Lightning, Sal at PSP, Jim at JDM). What you have will make a BIG difference in how your truck performs. The only problem that I can see right now, is it's never enough
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by quickcanuck

Thanks for your replies.......just a few things...
Airaid has now selling a kit for the 01-02 L's. Though it is not on their web site yet, I do have the part #, and have bought one.....thought you should know....
I'd like the Airraid Part # please I would appreciate it! Thank you!

The chip I bought has been burnt by Superchip, with Lightning program on it. Will this suffice for now, or am I jeopardizing the engine at all?
So you will know, that program is a decent program. It *shouldn't* increase line pressure at all and *should* decrease your shifting to about 200ms I believe. Shoot an message to Superchips_Distributor in the Chip forum over here, who is Mike Troyer, and ask him what he knows about that program. He'll give you all the info. on it no problem! Click here to email him:

https://www.f150online.com/forums/me...orm&userid=640

Does the JDM or Diablo programmers have a higher HP gain with what I am getting?...
It just depends, but the issue w/ the JDM Superchips or the JL Diablo chips is that they spend 24/7 nearabouts w/ these trucks and work on them daily. You'll be fine so long as it's Superchips program for the Lightnings. When you start doing more mods send your SC to JDM and let him reburn it for you. He'll probably charge you a fee since you didn't get it from him initially, but the cost is worth it.

P.s. Do a 4# if anything, though I suggest a 5 or 6.
 

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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 09:43 AM
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Diablo is the way to go, Chip should give you 39 HP +43 ft lbs of torque. The Super Chip post's 36hp + 47 ft lbs of torque. I've had mine reprogrammed three times already and what everyone is telling you is true, it takes a good tuner to know YOUR LIGHTNING. I myself SHOULD HAVE bougth it from JDM because they know it better than just any chip dealer. (every other mod came from JDM) AS far as the Cool air induction, I have the JDM 12" w/ secondary fender inlet, it was a huge differance on my Lightning. They post 20hp gains and up to 3lbs of extra boost. I believe them because my boost guage gets pinned when I stab it, "even without the Chip in it". It gave me MUCH MORE extra boost than the chip did. Diablo was able to raise my rev limiter to 6k, give me 23% stiffer 2-3 + 3-4 shifts, while on my last burn adding another 11% stiffness to 1-2. IT DID MY TRANNY WONDERS throughout the entire RPM range, without making it Too Hard. My only complaint is this last re-burn moved my shift points back down to red line 5250 where as before it was 5500. My next move is the JDM Throttle Body, I already have thier boost by-pass kit "WHICH YOU NEED" and the Crankcase Breather "WHICH YOU MUST HAVE" take off the clamp on your throttle body and notice all the oil in your throttle body, you'll know why you need it.

You should be around 440 HP + 500 Ft Lbs of Torque with all your goodies (not rear wheel Dyno numbers)
 
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Rob_02Lightning

Diablo was able to raise my rev limiter to 6k, give me 23% stiffer 2-3 + 3-4 shifts, while on my last burn adding another 11% stiffness to 1-2. IT DID MY TRANNY WONDERS throughout the entire RPM range, without making it Too Hard. My only complaint is this last re-burn moved my shift points back down to red line 5250 where as before it was 5500.
Not the ABU2BOO6K file!

That file is NOT a very good file for your transmission in your '02. It does well for the engine management parameters, though. They are raising your line pressure to give you firmer shifts. ANY program that increases your line pressure is NOT good at all for your transmission! Get rid of that program!

Curious, did your last Diablo '02 program just happen to cause your truck to stumble or cut out at around 5500 on only the 1-2 shift? I can almost bet you it did! This is because they increased the line pressure w/out compensating for the other shifting parameters which in turn is causing your pcm to freak and throw in protection. You notice that your 1-2 shift is soft like factory compared to your 2-3 shift? It should not be like that! They (your Diablo dealer) should have asked for a program to be made that lowered the time it takes to shift the tranny instead of increasing line pressure.

Doing it this way (raising line pressure) is not allowing all the shifts to be similar to another (1-2, then 2-3) in feel, because of not compensating for the other shift parameters. At WOT, 1-2 is still soft like near factory, and 2-3 is nice and firm (but not overly), and this especially holds true at 1/2 to 3/4 throttle when leaving from a stop or cruising.

If you want a firmer hitting tranny then do the line mod valve, but do NOT accept a chip that has the line pressure raised! This is a death warrant for the pump and tranny as a whole. Installing the line mod valve will effectively give your tranny another 15k to 30k in life from factory.
 

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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 10:52 AM
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My suspicions served me correct, you were cutting out on the 1-2 shift:

07-17-2002 06:00 AM
I started with the ABU2BOOB program which is supose to be the best all around performance and had a shift point of 5400-5500
but I found the 1 to 2 shift very mushy. Then I tried the number 3 program but found out it doesnt work. It would shift at 5500, but the rev limiter would shut down as it was shifting (even know they claim a 6k limiter). Now I currently have, "ABU2BOO6K" besides having a 23% stiffer shift and the BOOB performance program, it also stiffens the 1 to 2 shift even more and moves the Rev Limiter to 6,000 RPM. But the weird part is, this third program shifts lower than any I've had. It's shifting at exactly red line @5200-5300 RPM. I already complained that I wanted a higher shift point, but for the $202.00 I spent, Diablo's just about had enough of me and reburning new programs for free. Guess I'll stick with the shift I have.
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https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...591#post642591

Hmmmm...

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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 11:41 AM
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Good investigation work bfb, but raising the shift to 6K on stock rods seems like a no-no to me
 
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