The piping on the cats is not a kit, its done by JDM. They measure it out, fit it on their truck, and then weld it.

Daniel

 

Why do people feel the need to come post here before addressing the tuner directly? I talked to Justin today and for my specific order. I was pretty easy, i just picked up the phone!!!

I think if everyone who was satisfied by a tuner posted, the dissatisfied customer posts would be a mere needle in a haystack.

As for the exhaust, JDM doesn't manufacture the muffler or the cats, but they designed the system and measurements. I believe that was actually done on Justin's truck if I recall hearing correctly.

 

I agree with beefcake, and tallimeca. People on this board rip our vendors APART... I'm sure that, if these guys had say, 5 or 10 systems on backorder, they would easily be able to call each customer, apologize, and give them an ETA. But, this isn't the case.

You can see by the number of people who post here, these tuners probably recieve hundreds of orders a DAY. JDM builds the silver bullets by hand - so, if they're on backorder, they could do their best to give an ETA, but, out of a small shop especially, things can happen. And they do happen, alot.

For instance, ask Gregg (factory_tech) how many valvebodies he's sold since their recent release - I bet he's sold more than you could possibly imagine. (Just thinking of one of the most spoken-of backordered parts.)

So, there's a simple solution - Go with a huge corporation, like Borla, for your parts, or wait for your spectacular hand-built work of art to arrive, no matter how long it may take. After all, would you rather have a poster from Walmart, or an original Picasso on your wall?

 

yeah, you might get your borla exhaust 2nd day aired, but how many people have had the silver bullet blowing off their truck and getting twisted underneath. Not that this has happend to my knowledge with borla, just an example of a situation that has occured with other manufacturers.

I will never happen but if the tuners said to allow 2-4 weeks for shipping, then you wouldn't hear half the bitching. Some people just want what they want and think they are the most important person on the face of the earth. You have guys who's trucks visited JDM for major build ups, both venturing into new territories. Nothing ever goes perfectly......there are always complications, some minor, some not. But these guys are spending large amounts of money and god forbid the people in the shop have to take the time to ensure something related to these trucks gets done, and can't stop to box up a pulley or a boost bypass kit for that matter and send it out that day so it gets to a customer's house later than expected. Not that 1 customer is more important than another (in some cases...this may actually be true), but some people just have to understand they are dealing with small companies, not large corperate structures. There are only so many hands and so many hours in the day. I have worked in my own family buisness and know what it's like to want to do everything for everyone, but after a while you realize it isn't possible, not everyone is gonna be happy, and you can't work 24-7 to please everyone. **** happens. I'm so sick of feeling the need to post these posts defending tuners. If everyone would just get off the **** period and deal with it. Maybe Doug should just start deleting posts that have to do with orders and tuners. That would be a good start. Think of how many times you guys call a tuner and talk to them about your truck. If they are talking to you , they can't be processing orders, making parts, or working on custom tunnings and installs. It would be kinda ****ty that we would have to call 900 numbers to these tuners can charge us for their time on the phones.

 

Once again,for the "I'm blind to everything except tuner fanaticism",I DID place a minimum of 8-9 phone calls BEFORE posting. THAT was THE reason I posted. I guess some people couldn't read between the lines(maybe the fanatic-tint glasses got in the way). I am reaching the conclusion that ONLY good/happy results can be posted on this forum.No complaints allowed! I was fair & even with my posting. Were some of you fair in jumping to conclusions? Hopefully this is my final post on this matter.

 

This has sure gotten beat around a lot lately.

COMMUNICATION!!!!!

That's all we expect. Just acknowledgement, reason for delay and projected ETA. That will stop almost ALL the debates. If I order the exhaust and Jim says 6 months, then either I wait or go somewhere else. All done. Give realistic projections, too. I think they know about the issue (I know he sees the forums), and according to knowledgable people on this board, they are working to resolve it. It will all work out.

And yea, if Walmart starts selling Kooks headers for Lightnings, I'll buy mine there.

What about a "Tune your Truck-Burn Your Chip -Drive thru Dyno."

Just punch in your pulley size and other mods, what program type: Sissy, Long Life, Kinda Fast, Hot Street, Race til it Blows"


Tuners aren't gods-just people.

 

BTW Dr. D, I've heard people call Sal and Jim gods...so, you may be wrong... I haven't been able to prove one way or another just yet.

I'd definately go as far as "divinely knowledgable in the area or Lightnings" myself, which is only 2 or 3 steps below "godliness"... or something... IS IT FRIDAY YET? My brain's already fried...


I do understand Bluetooth's latest point about posting non-positive things... With the freedom of the internet good and bad will come... certainly, if you have a problem with something, it might be helpful to others to inform them. It's just when people continuously complain and other chime in and argue that it get's old... this thread itself, talking about how old it's getting, is itself getting old... (isn't that against some law of phyisics?)

anyhow, <step up on soap box> it would be nice, appropriate and professional for tuners to give an accurate eta for products. It's not a big deal that takes outside consultation to accomplish... just tell the people answering the phones and taking orders to be honest and upfront. When someon places an order, tell them what parts they can have tomorrow, and what ones they will have to wait for and give them an accurate timeline. Many of the products the tuners sell are a one time deal, that is, once they sell them, there isn't any reoccuring sales down the line (like buying a dremel tool, and then having to buy bits for it for the rest of your life) but that is still no excuse not to provide a high level of customer service. 90% of the customers you get are from word of mouth/recommendation. If people aren't happy, they won't tell their friends, or they'll recommend against... Consumers by nature are big babies that want to pay the least and get the most... Good customer service goes a long long way in consumers opinion of product quality and overall satisfaction.

<step down off soap box, OUCH! rolled my ankle... serves me right I suppose>

wow, that was suppose to be a funny one liner and turned into a long post... I hate when that happens...

 

Just so you know, I have nothing against Sal, Jim, Mike, Mark or JL. They all do the best they can, I'm sure. But just imagine how things would change if next year at this time there were Sal, Jim, JL, Mark, Mike, Tim, Steve, Sean, Bill, Theodore, Sam, Tom, Joe and 10 other tuners. I bet communication would improve with the competition. They are the top of the heap and the heap isn't that big. So, they are busy. But just tell us where we stand when we place an order. That's all I would expect and all I'll ever ask for.

All this sounds so familiar. I'm sure things will get better but these posts will surely raise their ugly heads again as more people buy Ls and run into these same issues. I've been lucky so far. Nothing different from what I was told to expect.

Let this one end so someone can start a new one.
Talk about something else now. What cams are available?
How 'bout that Sonic Blue for 03?
Where can we get airhorns for the L?
Who has mudflaps with flashing lightning bolts?

 

I agree with this logic to a point. But the fly in the ointment for me is that the 'Picasso' exhaust system is, well, exactly like a Picasso painting. Pretty. Functionally I would say it is not so superior that it warrants calling it a Picasso and everything else a poster at Wal-Mart. I'm chuckling as I type this.

I've personally seen with my own two peepers a Lightning with this Vaunted Picasso exhaust get his rectum handed to him by a lesser modified Lightning running- get this- a dual inlet, dual outlet Walker Super Turbo Muffler (Control your laughter please) with the stock pipes and tips. Sure the big bad . . .Picasso. . .looked better, and sounded better. AND HAD THE GENTLEMAN THAT BOUGHT IT THINKING IT WAS THE DEMON TWEAK (or was he lead to believe this. . . .) HAD ALL OF THE OTHER modifications required in order for the Picasso to show it's potential, then perhaps the outcome would have been different.

So maybe it's a good thing that these people have to wait for their exhausts. It gives them a few more weeks to enjoy their higher LOW SPEED TORQUE NUMBERS before they drop (until they purchase all of the other Tuner recommended modifications, of course).

Beefcake- I borrowed your soap-box, I hope you don't mind.


Later,

---WrongdayJ

 

No problem, just be careful, there is some mildew growing on top of it and it's slippery... I don't want a lawsuit on my hands if you slip and fall... perhaps I should Zaino it? no wait, that would make it even smoother...

Be sure I get it back...

 

Don't worry- I feel the same way about lawyers as I do about overpriced Lightning parts . . .er . . .Picassos.
(Hehehe. That is some funny *****!!!)


Someone took the bait hook, line, and sinker.