Just a few comments regarding the NLOC and it's boards and membership,
First of all the club is gaining momentum,and is making a strong comeback in spite of alot of neglect,were working very hard to make the club member friendly.

Seems to me,and I know I'm not mistaken that at one time the previous President wanted to combine the board and their business,and that didn't fly,and now I'm hearing that very person saying nobody that is a vendor should be a moderator on the board,so what is it????

It's very easy to sit back and talk the talk, but a bit harder to walk the walk.I must say I'm very proud at the way the club and it's members have forgiven the past neglect and are moving forward with us.

I also have left the door open for any vendor to support the NLOC,so if your a vendor and you don't have a place on the board to represent your company and products it's by your choice.

I'm sure if we wanted to we could post faults with all the vendors in one area or another,I know that to be a fact.So what this all boils down to is that if something is working,and people are progressing past the bashing and "tuner wars" all the boards would be better off.

Now I hear talk of the NLOC being JDM"S personal site,I know that isn't true!Nobody,and I mean nobody has given anything to the club except the members,and the staff that has put many hours in to correct many wrongs.Our club is doing business above board,with complete financial reporting and fiscal responsibility.

Now you can take this for what it's worth and I'm sure a lack of maturity will surface,but the NLOC is alive and healthy,anyone thinking differently,just come to WFC5 there will be 100 L's there and the MAJORITY of them will be sporting the NLOC logo.

I have tried to stay off this board,and tend to the business of the NLOC,but at times a bit of the truth must surface and this is the truth.

If you have a problem with a vendor,call them,fax then,do what you must do,but the problem you have with any vendor is a problem with them ,make sure you can document your problem and then pursue it.If I had a problem with anyone for a prolonged period of time it would have been solved long ago.

It all boils down to this simple fact,find a tuner you like and deal with them,if your not satisfied with a tuner find another.You know I'm 53 probably twice as old as most of our members but I have no problem relating to them,because I care about the club and their opinions.

To see things for what they are is one thing,and taking care of business is a personal thing,I was always under the assumption that the boards were intended for the promoting and prosperity of the Lightning owners.Seems some people come and go,just jumping in when the opportunity to shoot somebody down exists.Funny how this happens when people work for different tuners,and have problems with both of them,and it's the tuners fault,maybe the shoe should be on the other foot.

Well I'll retreat to my members and their needs,everyone is welcome to be a member or supporting vendor whatever the case may be.But we at the NLOC are very united,and will remain as such.
I'm sure this thread will be attacked and locked but so be it.
Jerry Hart
J MAN

 

Jerry,

That pretty much sums it up. I don't know how it could be said any better.

 

All I can say is that I use to be a NLOC member back when I first bought my 99 and then dropped out because of what seemed like a lack of interest from the members and their leadership. Then there was a local chapter running a fall shootout at one of the dragstrips here so I thought I would give it a shot especially since I have a new 01 to play with. The friends that I met and the advice I got was FIRST CLASS.... People who love these L's such as us have many things in common and a club setting can help us and sometimes teach us more things than we ever thought possible for our A$$ kicking Lightning's. Needless to say I'm a member in the NLOC again...thanks guys...

Vendors need to be a little more reponsive to their customers. When you tell us you will get back to us....GET BACK TO US. When you promise a part or a service by a certain day please due your best to make sure that happens and don't pass the buck to someone else. Last but certainly not least...DO NOT LIE... All businesses have glitches every now and then so it's best to be straight up with what's going on. I'm NOT calling names just telling how things should be dealth with... Jeff

 

Jerry,

Very well, said, I have been saying that for awhlie. All issues should be dealt with OFFLINE!!!!

Nobody wants to hear, "I am just giving my experience with so and so." I know I don't want to hear it.

Some people just live for boiling blood!!

 

As for moderators of forums by vendors, well I think the definition has gotten kindof confused. JDM oversees his own forum(s). He doesn't oversee any other forum. It would be a BIG difference if he moderated Gen 2 Lightnings or Anything Goes on another board. You go to JDM forum for "?'s" to and about JDM, just as you would go to a JL or PSP forum (if there were any) if you wanted info. about them.

Personally, Jerry, this doesn't belong anywhere public other than the NLOC board. Make a board announcement and stick it on that site so everyone can see it day in/out, but do it in a mature way other than this.

As for you criticizing the previous President about how he "neglected" and what he did so wrong with the club (which it seems you're doing more and more of this now), and how he is now saying this vs that concerning moderation, well that is just not kosher. You're a new President of something you want to get back on its feet, so you should do your best to disassociate yourself from what it was.

Another thing, you stated:

...so why post something you know will rile some feathers? Case in point: Keep it on NLOC and do it in a more professional way than this. If you want to talk about new and exciting things to come then DISASSOCIATE yourself from the past totally by keeping out of it, and stay away from any of the drama. Lock the posts that cause trouble, and ban the troublemakers. It's THAT easy!

BfB

 

Bfb,

I think Jerry is trying to reach as many people as possible to send a message. That message seems to be that you are more that welcome if you act civil but if not he might crack the whip. The whip has been cracked a few times on this board and rightfully so.

Doug has caught a lot of flack for locking threads but if he can tell they are going to hell in a handbasket he locks them. Personally I agree with him. It seems that this tactic has cut the bashing down on this board. I thank him for that and I'm sure that some of the people that have been on this board for quite a while feel the same way.

I think some of that has migrated to the NLOC board and they will have to learn to deal with it as Doug has.

 

I don't disagree w/ the majority of the post, but Jerry still should have left out any finger pointing. My point is to disassociate the club from anything in the past whether the past was good, bad, or in between. Also the fact that he mentioned at the very end of his post that he knew his post would probably cause problems.

If he would have left out those parts then the post would have been fine over here. But how it is then it should stay on NLOC for all to read.

BfB

 

Bfb,

I can't argue with you on that. Point taken.

 

BfB,
Well said, couldn't agree with you more.

Jerry,
If your looking for more members, coming on here and bashing Steve & Doug and compaining about past presidents seems to be a strange way to do it.

 

He bashed Steve and Doug?? I didn't get that at all.
He did respond about a post of the prev. Pres. and making everyone else aware of certain things being said....is defending the NLOC club/BB so wrong? Maybe he should or even has mentioned all of this in NLOC but, there may be members here that don't know about NLOC or how it has changed. This is a way for him to get to possible future members.
Maybe this will get locked, but I don't think it will be for what Jerry has said but for the people reacting to him.

My .02

 

*spidey sense tingling*

 

I think that Jerry Made some good points however I am disapointed that no similar post exists on NLOC that I can find.

I also think BFB and the others made some good points as well.

In my mind it would have made more sense and been more appropriate to post this on NLOC and post a link to it here.

Keeping in mind that NLOC is a competing site with Forums and vendors,and is becoming more and more a money making entity, I think that Steve and I have been VERY generous to allow NLOC to OPENLY advertise and recruit here.

Lets all agree to MOVE ON. Leave the past in the past. The future looks encouraging, lets keep our eyes on the future.

Thanks
Doug

PS -

I am pleased to see that at least one JDM customer thinks we are doing a good job
AND
I am pretty impressed with clonetek's "spidey sense " - How did he know I was preparing this response.... I need to look for hidden cameras.... LOL

One more thing - I will likely be driving up to PSP/JDM country in the next few weeks so if any of you guys want to kick my *** you'll have your shot..... On the track I mean...

 

heya doug.. no cameras here dude.. i worked graveyard shift & was in here just a little early..

i like both the f150online and NLOC boards.. i always have a browser open for each of them.
they each have their pluses and minuses, but put together, i can find out anything i need to know about my lightning!

thats all that counts to me..

brooks

 

Moderators
This was done in a constructive manner,we have tried contacting you the moderators to ask to make a post with no response from either of you,this has been tried for a month.

Case in point we are not a competing board,everything in the world is not competition,can't some of it be friendly advice.

I also note another jab at a vendor in your post.....

Also we are trying to reach out to future members and our current members.

I still don't understand why tellling the truth is a crime,
Later
I'm headed back to friendly territory.

 

Jerry

Lets cut the crap. You sent me NO email with a question that went unanswered.
The last Email I received from you was on 10/10 about FFW. I have a total of 7 emails from you from 9/29 to 10/10 NONE of which state ANYTHING about a particular post here.

Lets see, you come here to recruit people. Once recruited you ask for their money.... That could be construed as competition. You are using Steves bandwidth to promote your activities.

All I was trying to do as I have done in the past ( In my 9/30/2001 email to you ) was ask you to keep NLOC business on NLOC. I stated that if you wanted to Link to important NLOC business here that would be OK.

The point I was making was that you have been given more latitude than ANY other Website promoter EVER. And the unfortunate part is you choose to slap me in the face with it....
How much friendlier could we get ?

I didn’t take a shot at JDM. I took a shot at a few of his customers that persist in thinking that Steve or I have it out for them... It is ok for me to openly comment and appreciate that a JDM customer thinks I am doing a decent job. Especially since there has been so much said to the contrary. Or perhaps I should let them continue to bash me and not respond...

I realize now this should be taken offline but I wanted a couple of the points here to be public.

Doug “easy target” Boss