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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 04:33 PM
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Hello everyone, well I went to the dyno today (a dynojet) here in Richmond Virginia. I am pretty well pleased with the outcome. I took my chip out yesterday and have been driving around like that so I could get some stock HP/TQ readings.

I made about 20 runs in an 1 1/2 hour time period with various changes such as stock paper filter, k&n panel, no filter, no air box (just open MAF), iced intake, JDM chip, etc. I basically ran hot right off the road, no 2 or 3 hour cool downs here...

Anyway here is a short summary of stock vs JDM & K&N panel.
BTW I have 3000 and some miles on the odo,

Bone stock ZERO mods:
348.7HP / 414.2FT/LBS

about 16 back to back runs later with JDM chip and K&N drop in:
381.7HP / 455.1FT/LBS

I am very pleased with these numbers, assuming 18% driveline losses (which I consider conservative since some are calculating 20-25% loss) this means that in BONE STOCK TRIM the truck is making about 410HP / 488FT/LB and with the chip and drop in filter mods, it's making roughly 450HP and 536 FT/LBS of torque AT THE FLYWHEEL!!!

This is frigging awesome. pardon my excitement, but again, it's my first time to have the truck on the dyno, so like I said, i'm pretty elated right now. 450 HP just sounds so damn cool, can you say Dodge Viper who?

anyway, I just thought I'd share my experience with you guys, when I get home and get some more time I'll have to do a search and see how my numbers measure up to everyone elses.

have a good Labor Day weekend.

later,
chris haynie
 
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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 04:37 PM
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Nice #'s...
 
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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 04:50 PM
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Re: How does this stack up? Made 20 Dyno runs today! Red 2001 have stock vs chip&filter

Originally posted by superfords
I made about 20 runs in an 1 1/2 hour time period with various changes such as stock paper filter, k&n panel, no filter, no air box (just open MAF), iced intake, JDM chip, etc. I basically ran hot right off the road, no 2 or 3 hour cool downs here...

Anyway here is a short summary of stock vs JDM & K&N panel.
BTW I have 3000 and some miles on the odo,

Bone stock ZERO mods:
348.7HP / 414.2FT/LBS

about 16 back to back runs later with JDM chip and K&N drop in:
381.7HP / 455.1FT/LBS

chris haynie
Chris can you give us a breakdown of what mod produced what kind of HP gain? It seems like your saying that a K&N drop in filter is the best choice for max HP. Is this true? thanks for the info....Jeff
 
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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 05:14 PM
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11.2% drivetrain loss.
 
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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 06:07 PM
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Chris,
Those are some nice #'s you got today,by the way the drive train loss is 11.2%

1. 380HPx11.2%=42.5 which is approx. 338HP stock for our trucks.This is very close to most stock 01's!

I would like to know the outcome with the K/N stock setup compared to your open filter setup!Thanks for the info!!!

Matt

Silver 01
395HP
474Torque

12.83
109.40
 
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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 07:14 PM
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I made two dynojet runs back in July in S/W Ga.-hot-damn hot! Had a 20-30 min cool down. I thought I'd broken the eng. when I heard 'her' scream. RWHP--388+ and RWTQ--467.9--see sig for mods.

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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 07:50 PM
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381.7 HP / 455.1 FT/LBS without a pulley . . . very nice!

What was the Correction factor? Humidity? Temp?

This info should be on your dyno sheets.

Thanks!

Wayne
 
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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 07:56 PM
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11.2% You must be smokeing something

The lightning powertrain peak losses are much larger than 11.2%.
The 9.75 rear end is more that half of that...
 
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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 08:17 PM
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SilverBullet,
There are several members on this site that work for ford and they said many times that it is 11.2% on our trucks,do the math it makes sense.

99-00 360HP x 11.2% =40.32 which is around 320 stock

01 380HP x 11.2% =42.56 which is around 338 stock

This is very close to most stock dyno's on this board,you need to do a search on this and see for yourself before you run your mouth because you are the one that does not know what your talking about!
 

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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 08:40 PM
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I have never heard of drivetrain loss that low before either.

General rule of thumb has always been 15% Manual, 18% Automatic.

With our huge rear ends I would even expect more.

01 380HP x 11.2% =42.56 which is around 338 stock
Without a doubt or engines are underated. That's why this math "seems" to work.

Just my .01, no flame intended . . .

Wayne
 
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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by HIGH ROLLER
SilverBullet,
There are several members on this site that work for ford and they said many times that it is 11.2% on our trucks,do the math it makes sense.

99-00 360HP x 11.2% =40.32 which is around 320 stock

01 380HP x 11.2% =42.56 which is around 338 stock

This is very close to most stock dyno's on this board,you need to do a search on this and see for yourself before you run your mouth because you are the one that does not know what your talking about!
11.2% is total BS.

Maybe on a test bed the stock transmission only looses 11.2%, but did someone forget about the 2 90 degree turns though the differental? This is a huge power loss, that's why the diff and trans gets hot, is loosing power through there!
 
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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 09:18 PM
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Please forgive me,i forgot you know more than the ford factory techs that build these drivetrains everyday.Hopefully factory tech will see this and clear this mess up for everyone to see for themselves!

By the way factory tech has a 7 million dollar piece of equipment that tells him that it is a 11.2% drivetrain loss and he has stated before unless someone has one better than his he will stand by his numbers!
 

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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by HIGH ROLLER
Please forgive me,i forgot you know more than the ford factory techs that build these drivetrains everyday.Hopefully factory tech will see this and clear this mess up for everyone to see for themselves!

By the way factory tech has a 7 million dollar piece of equipment that tells him that it is a 11.2% drivetrain loss and he has stated before unless someone has one better than his he will stand by his numbers!
And I work for NASA, so if you have any space shuttle questions, my word is god!

Bizarre! Do you read a lot of fiction?
 

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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 10:06 PM
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Great Numbers. Heat really hurts our HP so I try to keep my motor temps consistent when spinning the drum. You will get the best #'s if you let your engine get totally cold then do your run when the water temp is around 140 degrees. keeping temps consistent is the key to dyno comparisons.

Your motor will probably make 10-15 HP more if you weren't "hot lapping" it on the dyno.
 
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Old Sep 1, 2001 | 10:07 PM
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I dynoed today at Speedworks, Lewisville, TX (Dallas). 3 runs with about 3-5 minutes cool down between runs.

Dynorun 001=Max Power 378.0 Max Torque=437.0
Absolute Barometric Pressure=29.33 in Hg
Vapor Pressure=0.68 in Hg
Intake Air Temp=82.6 F

Dynorun 002=Max Power 375.4 Max Torque=431.8
Absolute Barometric Pressure=29.30 in Hg
Vapor Pressure=0.67 in Hg
Intake Air Temp=83.0 F

Dynorun 003=Max Power 369.3 Max Torque=425.8
Absolute Barometric Pressure=29.31 in Hg
Vapor Pressure=0.67 in Hg
Intake Air Temp=82.7 F

I have the following Mods

Babolt Ford Racing Throttle Body
Noelvm Best Products Pro-M 80MM Mass Air (recal one time)
Ford Intercooler Upgrade Repair Kit

I am totally surprised...the vehicle has about 17,500 on the odometer....original plugs....and ZERO fuel filter replacement...

NO CHIP!! figure this one out....my ***-o-meter tells me the intercooler is more efficient...I have no baseline to reference....I would like to see a before and after dyno run pre intercooler/post intercooler change out. 2000 White Lightning.
 

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