How does this stack up? Made 20 Dyno runs today! Red 2001 have stock vs chip&filter
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Originally posted by 4D THNDR
Unless you got a valid reason other than conspiracy and Billy Bob's rule of the thumb I stand by factory_tech's 11.2%, those numbers fit published numbers.
Unless you got a valid reason other than conspiracy and Billy Bob's rule of the thumb I stand by factory_tech's 11.2%, those numbers fit published numbers.
I'm also going to tell you that you can't go by what Factory_Tech is saying. He's giving you #'s on JUST THE TRANSMISSION. How many times does one have to tell someone that you have to take into account the WHOLE drivetrain (the convertor, the tranny, the driveshaft and u-joints, angles, rear end, axles, and rims/tires?
Fact: Our trucks are UNDERRATED from the factory!
Fact: TOTAL driveline loss is WAY MORE THAN 11.2%!!!
It's that simple to comprehend.
BfB
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Guy, this transmission is NOT more efficient than a T-5 nor a T-56, and their losses are greater than that.
I'm also going to tell you that you can't go by what Factory_Tech is saying. He's giving you #'s on JUST THE TRANSMISSION. How many times does one have to tell someone that you have to take into account the WHOLE drivetrain (the convertor, the tranny, the driveshaft and u-joints, angles, rear end, axles, and rims/tires?
Fact: Our trucks are UNDERRATED from the factory!
Fact: TOTAL driveline loss is WAY MORE THAN 11.2%!!!
It's that simple to comprehend.
BfB
Guy, this transmission is NOT more efficient than a T-5 nor a T-56, and their losses are greater than that.
I'm also going to tell you that you can't go by what Factory_Tech is saying. He's giving you #'s on JUST THE TRANSMISSION. How many times does one have to tell someone that you have to take into account the WHOLE drivetrain (the convertor, the tranny, the driveshaft and u-joints, angles, rear end, axles, and rims/tires?
Fact: Our trucks are UNDERRATED from the factory!
Fact: TOTAL driveline loss is WAY MORE THAN 11.2%!!!
It's that simple to comprehend.
BfB
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Originally posted by dark_horse
Read above I’ve already pounded this to death, do you think that since you’re now proclaiming the same fact that the 11.2% yahoo’s are now dead?
Read above I’ve already pounded this to death, do you think that since you’re now proclaiming the same fact that the 11.2% yahoo’s are now dead?
How many times does one have to tell someone that you have to take into account the WHOLE drivetrain (the convertor, the tranny, the driveshaft and u-joints, angles, rear end, axles, and rims/tires?
I'm not sure why people feel that a 11.2% quoted # for a transmission is the almighty end answer. I guess they forget that it's just 1 component (the very first one) after the engine to take into account. And as you and others have stated there is no set # or % to use as it's never really static throughout the rpm band.
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Originally posted by BfB
I was backing you up, not trying to say I was the first to state it. After you posted last they came back again to defend the 11.2%. I didn't want you not to re-answer the post so I reiterated what you said as well as point it out what was stated multiple times. Remember reading this:
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I'm not sure why people feel that a 11.2% quoted # for a transmission is the almighty end answer. I guess they forget that it's just 1 component (the very first one) after the engine to take into account. And as you and others have stated there is no set # or % to use as it's never really static throughout the rpm band.
BfB
I was backing you up, not trying to say I was the first to state it. After you posted last they came back again to defend the 11.2%. I didn't want you not to re-answer the post so I reiterated what you said as well as point it out what was stated multiple times. Remember reading this:
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I'm not sure why people feel that a 11.2% quoted # for a transmission is the almighty end answer. I guess they forget that it's just 1 component (the very first one) after the engine to take into account. And as you and others have stated there is no set # or % to use as it's never really static throughout the rpm band.
BfB
I work with a few professional Mustang guys, and the 11.2% has them laughing in the ales, also I'm tried of this subject every few days.
These Mustang guys dyno cars 2 times a day and when they see a stock Lightning dyno at almost 100 hp more than a cobra, well it's pretty easy to see the look on their faces and understand that this is some serious HP that we're making, for a stock truck. They with all their experience did a 20% conversion as well.
Some how I don't see a 4r100 being a magical transission, compared to all the money that these Mustang guys are dropping, heck I think that they rate a manual transmission at something like 14-16% if I remember correct.
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Originally posted by dark_horse
Sorry BfB,
I work with a few professional Mustang guys, and the 11.2% has them laughing in the ales, also I'm tried of this subject every few days.
These Mustang guys dyno cars 2 times a day and when they see a stock Lightning dyno at almost 100 hp more than a cobra, well it's pretty easy to see the look on their faces and understand that this is some serious HP that we're making, for a stock truck. They with all their experience did a 20% conversion as well.
Some how I don't see a 4r100 being a magical transission, compared to all the money that these Mustang guys are dropping, heck I think that they rate a manual transmission at something like 14-16% if I remember correct.
Sorry BfB,
I work with a few professional Mustang guys, and the 11.2% has them laughing in the ales, also I'm tried of this subject every few days.
These Mustang guys dyno cars 2 times a day and when they see a stock Lightning dyno at almost 100 hp more than a cobra, well it's pretty easy to see the look on their faces and understand that this is some serious HP that we're making, for a stock truck. They with all their experience did a 20% conversion as well.
Some how I don't see a 4r100 being a magical transission, compared to all the money that these Mustang guys are dropping, heck I think that they rate a manual transmission at something like 14-16% if I remember correct.
But the supercharged 5.4 is magical? A lot of conjecture and "I's is tellin' ya" B/S but nothing to back it up. When you dyno the 99-00 and get 325 out of stock and 345 out of 01's and you plug in the numbers they fit perfectly. However when you use the 20% on the 01 and it figures out to 410-415 range you somehow magically made 150HP over it's higher compression N/A 5.4. Now that's magic with only 8-10lbs of boost. If you wanna give your Mustang buddies a real laugh those dyno #'s in my sig were done with a chip and filter only. When you plug in your 20% it figures out to 450HP. Tell them the Lightnings make 90HP from a chip and filter. They'll definitely be rolling in the "ales" on that one.
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Originally posted by 4D THNDR
But the supercharged 5.4 is magical? A lot of conjecture and "I's is tellin' ya" B/S but nothing to back it up. When you dyno the 99-00 and get 325 out of stock and 345 out of 01's and you plug in the numbers they fit perfectly. However when you use the 20% on the 01 and it figures out to 410-415 range you somehow magically made 150HP over it's higher compression N/A 5.4. Now that's magic with only 8-10lbs of boost.
But the supercharged 5.4 is magical? A lot of conjecture and "I's is tellin' ya" B/S but nothing to back it up. When you dyno the 99-00 and get 325 out of stock and 345 out of 01's and you plug in the numbers they fit perfectly. However when you use the 20% on the 01 and it figures out to 410-415 range you somehow magically made 150HP over it's higher compression N/A 5.4. Now that's magic with only 8-10lbs of boost.
We are talking about a 5000lb truck that needs low end tourqe to get off the line. This is what the SC provides as well as a little punch on the top end.
The Mustang guys fell over when they saw the HP at 2500 rpms, not at 5500.
Jezz, why don't mothers eat there young when it's needed?
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Originally posted by 4D THNDR
But the supercharged 5.4 is magical? A lot of conjecture and "I's is tellin' ya" B/S but nothing to back it up. When you dyno the 99-00 and get 325 out of stock and 345 out of 01's and you plug in the numbers they fit perfectly.
But the supercharged 5.4 is magical? A lot of conjecture and "I's is tellin' ya" B/S but nothing to back it up. When you dyno the 99-00 and get 325 out of stock and 345 out of 01's and you plug in the numbers they fit perfectly.
Why is it so difficult to understand that the 11.2% that Factory_tech states is for JUST the transmission? Even so, we're still not sure that's the end all of end alls for the tranny. We've only heard from 1 person on this.
Why is it so difficult to understand that you CANNOT use a static # or % to get your hp over the entire rpm band. It changes.
How many times does someone have to state these things?
BfB
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Originally posted by BfB
Why is it so difficult to understand that Lightnings make MORE HP from the factory than they are rated for! So do LS1 CamBirds!
Why is it so difficult to understand that the 11.2% that Factory_tech states is for JUST the transmission? Even so, we're still not sure that's the end all of end alls for the tranny. We've only heard from 1 person on this.
Why is it so difficult to understand that you CANNOT use a static # or % to get your hp over the entire rpm band. It changes.
How many times does someone have to state these things?
BfB
Why is it so difficult to understand that Lightnings make MORE HP from the factory than they are rated for! So do LS1 CamBirds!
Why is it so difficult to understand that the 11.2% that Factory_tech states is for JUST the transmission? Even so, we're still not sure that's the end all of end alls for the tranny. We've only heard from 1 person on this.
Why is it so difficult to understand that you CANNOT use a static # or % to get your hp over the entire rpm band. It changes.
How many times does someone have to state these things?
BfB