Let's make sure we set the record str8 for those who do not understand the reality of SuperChips:

It's still a Superchips program, but with input from the dealer and what they want done to them. Unfortunately, the individual distributors outside of Superchips headquarters are not able to self program on the fly nor on their own. Everything gets done via a BBS after the distributor calls an 800# to discuss what needs to be changed with a head programmer there at Superchips.

All in all, I'm not knocking the power of a Superchip, I am, though, knocking the way they grapple their software and lock it out from their dealers who pay BIG bucks just to distribute the product.

Here's a comparison for the books:

Superchips is like Microsoft
Autologic is like Linux

I'm careful not to call non Autologic dealers "tuners". As noted in my references up above I used "distributor/dealer"

(for the record, I still use Microsoft and will continue to do so until someone can make something as user friendly as Windows, and 2ndly, I use Autologic and will continue to do so for dynotunes, but for everyday driving w/ no dynotune I'll use either company for my chip, although it's apparent which company I'd go to first.)

BfB

 

No, but another Autologic tuner (which Sal/PSP is, btw) can download the chip onto their trusty puter and then make changes from there. Stealing programs w/out permission is highly against the ethics of Autologic tuners, and really uncalled for if it happens. As I said before they ARE tuners first and foremost. It's like going to a General Practioner instead of an ENT when you have to get your tonsils clipped out. It just doesn't make sense.

Sal, in no means am I trying to represent you, buddy. I am, though, PRAISING the product you use to TUNE with, as well as other Autologic tuners such as Chris Johnson, Steve Dryer, etc.

BfB

P.s. BTW, I was just reminded from a fellow Lightning owner that, yes, there are gays in the military but we don't go harking about it either.

Moral of the P.s.: Hopefully I will not cause an all out war w/ my last two posts on this thread, as that was NOT my intent, please.

 

Not this again....

 

BfB- I really could care less what kind of computer software is used in creating the different vendors chips. Track times don't lie my friend!

 

I certainly respect your opinion buddy and do agree with you ;-) I did, though, earlier state that I'd use either chip for street/strip performance w/out a dynotune. But for a dynotune I prefer Autologic tuners. All the software works of the 3 companies (Autologic, Superchips, Diablo), but it really boils down to tuners and who you prefer. I by no means was trying to downplay the ability of how the software works, just how the software is utilized in the programming.

Take care

BfB

 

Sal,

Please let me make a few corrections to your post.
"JDM uses Superchips brand modules. Superchips distibutors don't have in house tuning software to make changes on the fly, but they can call Superchips to have changes made to thier programs, and then download the new program from the internet."

"While a select few Superchips tuners have thier "own" programs, most are shared by the rest of the Superchips distributors. Places like JDM and Pauls Hi Performance, do have thier own programs that other Superchip distributors cannot access, but always remember that Superchips themselves has the right to use some or all of any program in thier own retail chips."

As you eluded to, JDM is not just a SuperChips distributor, they are a SuperChips "tuner". JDM uses the exact same software as SuperChips and they are the only company outside of SuperChips currently using it.
JDM does inhouse tuning and has the equipment & software to make changes "on the fly" in not only the SuperChips module, but also in the factory PCM.
JDM tunes raw data in hex form and can change virtually any part of the factory program,this is the information directly from the PCM. In your Autologic programs you can only tune in the program areas that Autologic allows you to.

SuperChips does use portions of the JDM programs in their own retail chips, but only after receiving permission from JDM.

Hope that helps clarify things.

Lightning Bob

 

How true.

The way I see it is, if the tuner you chose gave you the product exactly how you wanted and what you expected then who cares. It's like if you come home and your favorite supermodel is laying on your bed waiting for you, don't question how it happen just enjoy it as much as you can.

 

That's a FEDERAL OFFENSE. Thanks for posting it on a public forum.


As for the software, Superchips swtiched over from the in house tuning to the BBS dowload system a few years back. If JDM still has this software, then I apologize for my incorrect statement. I was not trying to "bash" JDM as you are trying to make it seem, I was just answering somebodys question. As for our Autologic software, it is not "inferior" in any way. The Autologic software is written by an ex- Ford calibrator. I have access to anything I want. And if I want to be able to change something that is not in the software, I can have it added in. There are many Mustangs out there with Autologic tuned PCMs that are running 8s and 9s. The Autologic tuned UPR car driven by Willie from Diablo, has gone 8.25 using an Autologic chip and software. I can't think of even 1 Superchiped car that's under the 10s. So don't be thinking that the Autologic stuff in "inferior". What you are told and what is the truth, are not the same thing.

 

Uh OH


Lock Lock Lockin this thread's doh-wa...... Hay...Hay...Hay Hay Yayuh.

 

No PLEASE do not lock this thread. There is no bashing in it. If individuals can't talk about specifics in a mature way, which is what's being done here, then why even allow any postings.

BfB

 

I don't see any reason to lock this thread. Is there something here that someone doesn't want us to know???

 

I'm still in Moderator Boot Camp...or something. Don't have the permissions to do so....

but I'm sure the whole alleged Federal offense thing is what will be the detemining issue.

 

Sal,

I did not state or even try to imply that your programs and or your tuning software was inferior. Sorry if you read that into my post.

Speedin Bob

I thought you were mature enough to be able to understand the the difference between passing of factual information which is what these boards are here for vs. bashing of supporting vendors products. Too many threads have been locked already on this board, not to say that SOME of them shouldn't have been.

Lightning Bob

 

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The tuners seem to be staying pretty civil. I think it's the customers that seem to be fired up. I like the tuner I'm using now but they all have some pretty kicka$$ products. They are always trying to one up the other guy which is good for us L owners. I like the discussion but try not to get too nasty.