Well guys after spending the weekend at WFC I have learned that we as members of this board have simply been mislead. We have set here and let the tuners of this board simply bash JDM with no end. I am guilty of this myself and was starting to wonder if JDM was actually all he was cracked up to be. Well I must admit that after WFC I now know that JDM simply has the best programs available on the market for our Lightning's. For those who were not there I would like to give you some examples. A guy (I Won't mention his name)in a 99 Lightning was running JDM's new hot street 90mm program and JDM's air kit as his only mods ran a best ET of 13.17 on F-1's. Now lets look at some of the trucks times with Sal's chips. Their was a white Lighting that was parked at Sal's booth the entire weekend who the best pass I seen her run was 13.60. This was on Sal's top race chip! Also their was a guy there who run a 12.91 on JDM's new chip. He then switched to a Diablo chip and ran a 13.32. Guy's you do the math. Their are plenty more examples but their is no need to go into all of them. It was no accident that 5 out of the top 10 trucks were running JDM's programs.

I would like for everyone to remember not to long ago when JDM was not on the boards. Remember when you tried to call Sal and all you got was an answering machine! Oh and how about all those emails you sent him.... did you ever get a reply?? I know I sure didn't. How about when you called him letting him know that your truck was pinging with his new chip and all you got was "Just Add Some Octane Boster". Oh and how many L motors have you ever heard that has blown up with a JDM nitrous program? I haven't heard of any but I can't say the same for Sal's programs.

I am not making his post to praise JDM nor am I posting this to bash Sal and Spiro but rather I am tired of seeing Spiro and Sal post misleading posts for their benefit.
Example:

JDM DRIVE SHAFT EXPLODES

Sprio knows good and well that the drive shaft was not a JDM drive shaft but rather a Ford drive shaft that was purchased through JDM. I was right there when the drive shaft broke. The only reason why the drive shaft broke was because Spiro hit the nitrous off the line and it caused major axle wrap which as a result damaged the drive shaft.

Oh and on the PSP Dyno plots. Come on guys give me a break. You know good and well that those dyno plots are mis-leading. The spikes on the chart are wheel spin not true power because if they were you wouldn't see major quick spikes on the dyno plot.

Lastly that 11.40 run Spiro posted was simply a time clock error. You told me that yourself Spiro. Their is no way you could run a 11.40 run with a 2.2 60-foot time when you were pulling 1.7-1.8 60-foot times and only running 12.17-12.25. So you are saying that adding 50hp bigger shot of nitrous lowered your ET by almost one second? Get real!

On a side note Sal has gotten better at his customer service but the only reason why he did was because everyone was switiching over to JDM's stuff! JDM has not been perfect either. The whole pulley thing left him a black eye but at least you could call and speak with him about it! I just don't want JDM to get fed up with the Lightning community and quit making products for us because if he does I am sure that the only tuners left will go back to their old ways of not returning emails or phone calls and we will have no one to blame but ourselves!!!!!!









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00 Silver L #1205
Built 3/16/00

Mods:
AAD F-1 Hood
Eibach Front Coils
AIM 2" Drop Shackles
75hp NOS Dry Shot
JDM Nitrous Program
90mm MAFS
JL Air Intake
Oval Bore Throttle Body
PSP Electric Fan
Redline Water Wetter


HANKFAN

[This message has been edited by HANKFAN (edited 05-24-2001).]

 

HANKFAN,

The Village called, they want there Idiot Back!!!


If you love JDM so much, why don't you go hangout at www.svtperformance.com let the rest of us mislead people be

 

Oh man !!!Let me get my popcorn now!!!
Tom

 

The "very" last thing the lightning community has to worry about, is "any" of tuners getting fed up with us, as i'm sure, none are doing this as a community service.

 

im sure everyone will stay calm and composed after that blast. nothing like making for a pleasant, peaceful day right?

 

I think if you had just said your praise about how you enjoyed the quality of JDM's work and that stats on the finishing trucks, I would have repested your post.

All the bashing in between has made your post pretty much useless...Spiro said nothing more then "My 2001 JDM drive shaft broke". Lets see, its a 2001 drive shaft bought from JDM. Sounds pretty accurate to me..even if JDM is reselling ford.

No one can make everyone happy, pick who you like and be happy with your product. If not, return it and pick someone else.

Daniel

[This message has been edited by thepawn (edited 05-24-2001).]

 

Guys..... You simply don't get it. I am not bashing anyone. I just refuse to set here and read all these mis-leading posts that these so called tuners are posting. If you beleive that Spiro actually ran a legitimate 11.40 run at WFC then nothing I can say here will help at all.

Hell I would be running a PSP chip if I could have ever gotton hold of something other than an answering machine!

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00 Silver L #1205
Built 3/16/00

Mods:
AAD F-1 Hood
Eibach Front Coils
AIM 2" Drop Shackles
75hp NOS Dry Shot
JDM Nitrous Program
90mm MAFS
JL Air Intake
Oval Bore Throttle Body
PSP Electric Fan
Redline Water Wetter


HANKFAN

[This message has been edited by HANKFAN (edited 05-24-2001).]

 

Let's see. Spiro posts a dyno chart with big numbers and you call BS. Spiro posts an 11.40 pass using a 150 shot and you call BS. The numbers see to go together pretty well to me. Be happy with what works for you. What works for you may not work for me. No need for this kind of trash. I personally have not purchased any JDM products. Is it because I think the are second rate? No, it's because PSP has taken very good care of me and made my truck fast. It's simply a personal choice I have made and I am happy with that choice.

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2000 Silver Lightning 13.16 (so far)
PSP 4-way
PSP Filter Kit
PSP Lower Pulley
Level 10 Shift kit
F-250 Trans pan
MagnaFlow 12468
Snug-Lid

I feel a 12.xx coming on.

Team PSP West

 

HANKFAN

I agree with everything you said and appreciate your perceptions. It's about time Jim got some backing on this board. Well done.

4rts2nv
"The Village called, they want there Idiot Back!!!" So did you tell them you would return shortly and bring the rest of your peanut gallery?

Lightning Bob

[This message has been edited by Lightning Bob (edited 05-24-2001).]

 

Here it comes...I knew it was just a matter of time. I bet 40 posts by this 8:00 evening. lol

[This message has been edited by gforce (edited 05-24-2001).]

 

Brian, I don't post mis-leading information, I post the truth. I am not Spiro and I cannot speak for him, and I cannot tell him what and what not to say. I was there when he made the 11.40 pass, but I did not see it. Whether it was legit or not, I don't know for sure, and timing systems DO make mistakes (like 1.60s 60fts on F-1s).

As for who was running what chip and what chips they were, how can you even make a statement like that? You have no idea what my customers were using. Were you there? Did you see me doing the programs? I didn't think so. CA was running pretty good for just a stock truck with a srteet chip, 93 octane, filter, and stock tires. You say 5 of the top 10 trucks ran JDM chips. I have the list right here and I see 3 in the top ten, in the 5, 8, and 10 spots. Lightning Bob was in the 5 spot, and while he showed up after a fresh JDM tune, he was running 13.30s at 103 mph. After several superchips reburns at the track, he was down to 12.86. So would you even consider that a JDM truck? I really don't know the detials of it, but that's what happened. To me, the fact that JDM had three OF the top 10 fastest trucks in the class is not as impressive as the fact that PSP and JL had two trucks each that were THE fastest 4 trucks in the class.

No bashing here, just telling facts. Use them for what they are.

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SAL - TEAM PSP
web- www.powersurgeperformance.net
E-mail sales@powersurgeperformance.net
tech@powersurgeperformance.net
F-150 Online Supporting Vendor

 

That goes double for me too.I agree with your comments including the one about the "Bang goes the JDM 01 Shaft" post.That shows a lack of respect and is indicative os a bashing if I ever saw one.Why put the distributers name in front of any failing part???

 

I am with Gforce on this one.I think choice of products you buy should be made by the owner of the vehicle.They all have their good sides so why not use them to the best of OUR advantage!!!I personly use alittle of all their stuff.[what I hope to be the best]I do take customer relations into account when I am considering a purchase too.After all eeven if you get the product and you have a problem with it you still need to be able to get it corrected in a timely manner.

 

I'm just putting my post in to be a follower and be included in the top 40.
Thanks

 

Personally I applaud HANKFAN for having the ***** to step up to the mic and say something like that. Its pretty funny to see how quickly and drastically the mood of this Board can change from all Lightning owners being best of friends, to all of a sudden being worst of enemies at the mere mention of such-and-such a Tuner. Before I go any further, let me first state that I have all the respect in the world for Spiro and JL pushing the envelope as far as they have, and the only other L I've possibly envied more than Spiro's is 38TopGun's, but it seems he's been hiding in a cave somewhere with HighRisk lately.

thepawn: you might not see a problem with Spiro (and JL if I remember correctly) saying that their "JDM" driveshaft broke since that's where they bought it from (even though they both knew good and well that Ford was the one that made it), but I can tell you that the last time I saw a kid shatter a top end in their 125 at the races, they we're blaming Wiseco (the manufacturer), not Brockton Cycle Center (the retailer). If JDM had actually manufactured it, then that's a different story.

Maybe it wouldn't bother me so much if it was stated by someone without any sort of connection to the person they were referring to (such as JDM, PSP, or whoever), but given all that has happened between "The Lighting Triangle" (JL, JDM, and Spiro) in the last few months (which I'm still not clear on), I personally view it as somewhat of a cheap shot towards JDM, since he usually doesn't post over here and it will go uncontested.

And my biggest sticking point about this whole topic is that NO ONE should have to go to a another Lightning Board to say what they feel- especially from this one!

Take it or leave it, I'm outta here. Later...

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