I know I'm gonna get flamed for this--But?
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Mid 12's,
Yes, that would be excellent. Will gladly pay shipping. Please email me at work tomorrow at: wijatyk@ftimeters.com
or at my home in the evening at: peteb3@home.com
We can get this coordinated.
Thanks in advance.
Interesting info you guys are hitting me with. I've been on the board like daily for over a year and just had not written about this or recall anything other than maybe one post that I saw about this issue. Very true, the blower whine is an issue that Ford has to control, which ultimately can cost horsepower. I guess, I'm just thinking along the lines that maybe for 01 Ford has improved the box?
MRBBQMAN,
Yeah, that's the kind of thing I wanted to know. temp probes data doesn't lie. Wow, I was figuring there would be alot of heat under the hood.
Yes, that would be excellent. Will gladly pay shipping. Please email me at work tomorrow at: wijatyk@ftimeters.com
or at my home in the evening at: peteb3@home.com
We can get this coordinated.
Thanks in advance.
Interesting info you guys are hitting me with. I've been on the board like daily for over a year and just had not written about this or recall anything other than maybe one post that I saw about this issue. Very true, the blower whine is an issue that Ford has to control, which ultimately can cost horsepower. I guess, I'm just thinking along the lines that maybe for 01 Ford has improved the box?
MRBBQMAN,
Yeah, that's the kind of thing I wanted to know. temp probes data doesn't lie. Wow, I was figuring there would be alot of heat under the hood.
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Well I get to eat some crow with this post.
Just a few days back I stated that the Magnaflow 12468 I installed cut My G-Tech time by 3/10ths. To elaborate further I had forgotten I installed the conical from the 99 truck. I will not state emphatically that it was the The Muffler ever again. After realizing the error I pulled the conical with the 3.5 ID pipe and reinstalled the factory box. After I modified the bottom with two rectangles cut in the bottom at either end, leaving the mounting stubs in place. With the factory filter Headed down the same path at roughly the same ambient. Guess what.... I am back 13.9 @ 103.5....
Humbly submitted with No predrawn conclusions....make your own.
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Sal's Filter and Chip
Muffler Delete Option
AutoMeter Pod w/Phantom Boost Gauge
Aim Drop Shackels
Bedrug
Boss Amp-Infinity Components-JBL powered Sub-Dynamat
Wet Okoles
Smooth Cowl
Waiting on a 2# pulley
Red 99 Lightning #????4/30/99 (Totaled)
Black 99 Lightning #$$$$
5/25/99
Silver 2001
White 88 SVO Merkur Xr4ti
Silver 95 SHO
2000 Buell X-1 Lightning
with Factory race kit.
2001 S2000 silverstone grey
Just a few days back I stated that the Magnaflow 12468 I installed cut My G-Tech time by 3/10ths. To elaborate further I had forgotten I installed the conical from the 99 truck. I will not state emphatically that it was the The Muffler ever again. After realizing the error I pulled the conical with the 3.5 ID pipe and reinstalled the factory box. After I modified the bottom with two rectangles cut in the bottom at either end, leaving the mounting stubs in place. With the factory filter Headed down the same path at roughly the same ambient. Guess what.... I am back 13.9 @ 103.5....
Humbly submitted with No predrawn conclusions....make your own.
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Sal's Filter and Chip
Muffler Delete Option
AutoMeter Pod w/Phantom Boost Gauge
Aim Drop Shackels
Bedrug
Boss Amp-Infinity Components-JBL powered Sub-Dynamat
Wet Okoles
Smooth Cowl
Waiting on a 2# pulley
Red 99 Lightning #????4/30/99 (Totaled)
Black 99 Lightning #$$$$
5/25/99
Silver 2001
White 88 SVO Merkur Xr4ti
Silver 95 SHO
2000 Buell X-1 Lightning
with Factory race kit.
2001 S2000 silverstone grey
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From: Stinkin Joisey
Awful lot of WHINE here
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99 Black#1940, Modified Airaid box, Pro-M 80, Swanson Chip, Wet Okole's, Loud Clunk, Bedrug, Clear corners, 2" Aim drop, 2nd set well worn F-1's, 135 W Xenon Fog Lamps, Red Line Water Wetter, That's all folks!
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99 Black#1940, Modified Airaid box, Pro-M 80, Swanson Chip, Wet Okole's, Loud Clunk, Bedrug, Clear corners, 2" Aim drop, 2nd set well worn F-1's, 135 W Xenon Fog Lamps, Red Line Water Wetter, That's all folks!
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Not trying to play devils advocate or anything but...
I don't really think your on to much. You could cut an eight inch hole in the side of your truck and let all of the air in the world in and your not going to get more than a few horsepower over JL's kit, Airraid, etc. JL's kit speaks for itself. He's running 12.0's with just the basic bolt ons. How much more power do you really think he's going to get out of his truck by adding more air? Not too much. Throw a cold air kit on the truck with a 10-12" filter and you've got about all the engines gonna need until you bolt on a bigger blower or maybe a set of port/polished 32v heads. ;-)
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99 Lightning, Bassani exhaust, JL Ram Air, Superchip(JL Programmed), Level 10 shift kit. 13.4 at 105.5 on street tires.
Next up: Lower Blower pulley, 90mm MAF, slicks.
I don't really think your on to much. You could cut an eight inch hole in the side of your truck and let all of the air in the world in and your not going to get more than a few horsepower over JL's kit, Airraid, etc. JL's kit speaks for itself. He's running 12.0's with just the basic bolt ons. How much more power do you really think he's going to get out of his truck by adding more air? Not too much. Throw a cold air kit on the truck with a 10-12" filter and you've got about all the engines gonna need until you bolt on a bigger blower or maybe a set of port/polished 32v heads. ;-)
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99 Lightning, Bassani exhaust, JL Ram Air, Superchip(JL Programmed), Level 10 shift kit. 13.4 at 105.5 on street tires.
Next up: Lower Blower pulley, 90mm MAF, slicks.
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From: Portland, Oregon. USA
Rm air will not work on a dyno. No way to force the correct amount of air in.
My project is this. If you notice on the stock lower grill both sides approx 3-4inches are blocked off. After installing the billet grills this is now open. I am installing a NACA duct on the driverside lower grill opening and piping it to the bottom of the air box. Draw/force in cool air, not have anything hanging down under the truck. Also going to open up the fender intake. I almost hope this doesn't work because I do love the sound with Sal's filter.
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2000 Silver Lightning 13.82 (stock)
PSP 4-way
PSP Filter Kit
PSP Lower Pulley
Level 10 Shift kit
Snug-Lid
In the works:
Level 10 converter
4-Link
My project is this. If you notice on the stock lower grill both sides approx 3-4inches are blocked off. After installing the billet grills this is now open. I am installing a NACA duct on the driverside lower grill opening and piping it to the bottom of the air box. Draw/force in cool air, not have anything hanging down under the truck. Also going to open up the fender intake. I almost hope this doesn't work because I do love the sound with Sal's filter.
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2000 Silver Lightning 13.82 (stock)
PSP 4-way
PSP Filter Kit
PSP Lower Pulley
Level 10 Shift kit
Snug-Lid
In the works:
Level 10 converter
4-Link
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From: Austin Tx
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WHAT04:
But what about the BLOWER WHINE. You've gotta have BLOWER WHINE. Even if it cost me 5 hp, I want BLOWER WHINE.
You might say I'm addicted to BLOWER WHINE. I don't care. I love BLOWER WHINE. There, I've said it.
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But what about the BLOWER WHINE. You've gotta have BLOWER WHINE. Even if it cost me 5 hp, I want BLOWER WHINE.
You might say I'm addicted to BLOWER WHINE. I don't care. I love BLOWER WHINE. There, I've said it.
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99 White
JDM chip
JDM 90mm MAF
JDM 5' drive shaft
JL loop
JL Air kit
BaBolt single bore TB
Full Bassani
13.13@104.55
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Silver-Bolt,
Is there something different about your 2001 than a 99, I was going to install a much larger and thicker lower intercoolers also using the 4" of unused lower grill.
I found that the frame rails where in the way.
Do you still have room to install ducting there or is this theory only?
Is there something different about your 2001 than a 99, I was going to install a much larger and thicker lower intercoolers also using the 4" of unused lower grill.
I found that the frame rails where in the way.
Do you still have room to install ducting there or is this theory only?
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From: Cleveland
I agree with Silver 2K, warm air is better than not enough air, and how long is it really heated when you launch. I have the Sal's kit and i love it. I am sure i noticed a small increase in performance, and yes it's quite a bit louder. So much the better 
If they dont look initially, that whine will grab thier attention, i just love it. No chips or anything that could kill my warrenty unfortunately, cant take the risk. There's still plenty to play with Still got that grin 
If ya want part two to the question from hell, hehe. Are the chips worth a damn? Are they giving us more HP, or just more peak HP. Basically readjusting the curve, but not making anything more than it was before. I've seen some dyno sheets that really question whats actually going on. The upside are all the other things that the chip does, shift ect... They probably are worth something, but are they really increasing or just re-adjusting hp? And hey,don't shoot me either, just a query.
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Silver '00 Lightning.
#3962/4966 6/16/00
PSP filter kit.
JL 300/4 amp, JL-XR's, VR's and 10WO, Crossfire 75.2 amp.
Ligted Logos.
Xenon bulbs X 4.
Clear corners, Altezza tails on order.
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If they dont look initially, that whine will grab thier attention, i just love it. No chips or anything that could kill my warrenty unfortunately, cant take the risk. There's still plenty to play with Still got that grin If ya want part two to the question from hell, hehe. Are the chips worth a damn? Are they giving us more HP, or just more peak HP. Basically readjusting the curve, but not making anything more than it was before. I've seen some dyno sheets that really question whats actually going on. The upside are all the other things that the chip does, shift ect... They probably are worth something, but are they really increasing or just re-adjusting hp? And hey,don't shoot me either, just a query.
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Silver '00 Lightning.
#3962/4966 6/16/00
PSP filter kit.
JL 300/4 amp, JL-XR's, VR's and 10WO, Crossfire 75.2 amp.
Ligted Logos.
Xenon bulbs X 4.
Clear corners, Altezza tails on order.
[This message has been edited by Reddawgy (edited 03-20-2001).]
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Didn't know if the pics would come out right so I kept the first post short. The K&N has about 1500mi per side on it. One thing I do know is this thing pushes air, if you saw a post awhile back I found rocks in the box, ok maybe they were pebbles be who's counting. Going up a 4" tube vertically is something I think. I don't know the percentages of a 4" hole compared to what Ford opened up the fender opening to but I'm sure one of you math wiz guys can help me out. I was going to dyno the truck but the guy moved his shop and the dyno is or was at the time out of the ground. Haven't been back but when I do go I'm taking my leaf blower with, 100mph winds for a comparison. Sorry no 1/4mi times either. I would love to see someone do a "Blastgate" vs. JL test. Personally I think the "Blastgate" would win but what the hell do I know. If one of you guys would do a fair test on it, you know how it goes same track, same night etc. I Would put up the $50 bucks to build "Blastgate". Remember this is a build it yourself kit, I'm not selling anything. Just think it would be kind of fun to see what happens. To see the parts list do a search under Ram Air Pics.
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From: New Orleans
That leaf blowers 100mph 2-cycle "exhaust" won't be the same as fresh air. i think it would be lacking in oxygen and probably heated from the friction of the speed, and wouldn't be the same as a moving vehicle. get a compressed (breathing air) cylinder and blow that up her dress, for a comparison
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Thought I would throw some quick numbers out here for you all to look at.
1. stock air filter for 99/00/01? measures 6"X12" for a surface area of 72 sq. in.
2.A high flow pleated paper air filter will flow about 5 CFM per sq. in. @ 1.5" h20
3.A K&N filter will flow about 6 CFM per sq. in. at the same pressure drop.
So doing the math we get about 356 CFM for a stock paper filter and about 434 CFM for a stock size K&N.
I think the reason the K&N doesn't flow more is because there are fewer pleats per inch than the paper filter.
All of these flow numbers came out of a K&N catalog. I know that 1.5" h2o doesn't sound like a lot of pressure drop, but an air cleaner is'nt supposed to have any restriction at all.
I think there was a post several months back ( maybe Sal ) The guy took the top off of the air box and let it lay there open during a dyno run and if my memory is right, the truck picked up 10 or 15 HP.
Dale
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Black 00'
12.98 @ 105.85
full weight, stock F1's
stock exhaust
1. stock air filter for 99/00/01? measures 6"X12" for a surface area of 72 sq. in.
2.A high flow pleated paper air filter will flow about 5 CFM per sq. in. @ 1.5" h20
3.A K&N filter will flow about 6 CFM per sq. in. at the same pressure drop.
So doing the math we get about 356 CFM for a stock paper filter and about 434 CFM for a stock size K&N.
I think the reason the K&N doesn't flow more is because there are fewer pleats per inch than the paper filter.
All of these flow numbers came out of a K&N catalog. I know that 1.5" h2o doesn't sound like a lot of pressure drop, but an air cleaner is'nt supposed to have any restriction at all.
I think there was a post several months back ( maybe Sal ) The guy took the top off of the air box and let it lay there open during a dyno run and if my memory is right, the truck picked up 10 or 15 HP.
Dale
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Black 00'
12.98 @ 105.85
full weight, stock F1's
stock exhaust
